Following is a guest entry from Gabe Collins and Andrew Erickson, co-founders of China Sign Post.
Gen. Chen Bingde, Chief of Staff of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), has reportedly said that, for the first time, a Chinese ‘aircraft carrier is under construction.’ China is also already preparing the refitted ski-jump carrier Varyag, purchased from Ukraine in 1998, to go to sea.
Given these developments, it seems a good time to look at the first carrier-based aircraft that China will employ: the new J-15 ‘Flying Shark’ carrier-based heavy fighter-bomber.
As currently configured, the J-15 is no ‘great leap forward,’ but is nevertheless triggering concern in the region because it indicates rapid improvement in Chinese naval aviation, and suggests Chinese determination to extend its regional blue water presence. The J-15’s initial role will be linked to, and limited by, its first operational platform: a ‘starter carrier’ to project a bit of power, confer prestige on a rising great power, and master basic procedures.
What’s Happening Now?
On April 24, 2011, Chinese Internet sources posted new photos of a J-15 sitting outside a hangar at the No. 112 Factory of Shenyang Aircraft Corporation airfield.
The J-15, which has an airframe closely resembling that of the Russian Su-33, boasts more advanced, indigenously made avionics, including a shortened tailcone, an arresting hook, and strengthened landing gear.
The lack of a second seat in the J-15 suggests that the PLA believes its electronics suite is sufficiently integrated and automated to require only one person to operate it, which is normal practice for carrier aircraft.
Given China’s low baseline in naval aviation, any progress could make a big difference. The J-15’s potential for long-range missions and heavy payloads, however, is negated by Varyag’s ski-jump deck and China’s lack of refuelling capabilities. For now, it would seem to be dependent on land-based tankers, at least until China develops or acquires catapults.
As for potential mission applications, the J-15 is a large aircraft and likely has a normal take-off weight similar to that of the United States’ now-retired F-14 Tomcat. If the J-15’s avionics suite can support a ground attack mission, it will have two primary uses in a future Chinese carrier group, with a third role of providing air cover as necessary during future operations to protect and/or evacuate Chinese citizens threatened by violence overseas.
If properly equipped, supported, and employed—and these are significant ‘ifs’—the J-15 could affect the regional military balance substantially. If China is able to eventually employ an effective indigenous active electronically scanned array radar in the J-15, this would offer it stealth and high jamming-resistance, and the potential ability to track and engage cruise missiles. While too many variables remain at this time to determine precisely how the J-15 will contribute to China’s military capabilities, its very existence suggests for the first time the possibility of China developing serious maritime aviation capabilities—a prospect that would have regional implications. In fact, there’s already a substantial likelihood that the J-15’s existence will prompt China’s maritime neighbours, in particular Japan, to purchase additional late-generation fighter aircraft.
Possible J-15 missions
While the Flying Shark’s capabilities remain uncertain, its potential is significant. If deployed effectively, it could offer China new options for combat air patrol (CAP) and maritime strike.
Design Factors
The basic design features high internal fuel capacity and allows for a substantial operational radius. Even with the reduction in fuel and weapons loadout imposed by a ski-jump launch, it’s probable that a J-15’s combat radius could extend as far as 700 kilometres from the carrier, particularly if the buddy tanking capability is included. The J-15 will likely be able to carry China’s PL-12 air-to-air missile, adding an additional 100 kilometres to its reach out range.
When the J-15 is deployed, it could help push potential foes much further away from a Chinese carrier. Organic fighter cover would be vital for maritime security missions located far enough from land to preclude land-based air support. In a close-in fight, the J-15, given its favourable thrust-to-weight ratio and low wing loading, could be a dangerous foe.
Maritime Strike/Anti-Ship Missions
If armed and able to launch successfully with advanced missiles, carrier-based J-15s could credibly hold surface platforms within 500 kilometres of the Chinese carrier group at risk. Existing Chinese surface combatants and submarines pose a very serious threat to surface vessels, but they take much longer to move into firing positions and thus can be more easily accounted for by planners and air defence personnel.
The time taken for a J-15 strike package to cover several hundred kilometres – only a few minutes – would also give Chinese commanders much greater tactical flexibility.
One creative way in which the PLA might attempt to the impact of deck aviation in a regional conflict would be to ‘lily pad’ by launching a number of fully loaded J-15s from coastal airbases, aerially refuel them in protected airspace, and subsequently use the carrier for aeroplane recovery after the first-strike mission.
Regardless of the J-15’s specific capabilities, however, it’s likely to be limited severely by the deck aviation platform from which it operates – the ski-jump. A ski-jump design imposes significant restrictions in terms of allowing an aircraft to approach maximum take-off weight. It also requires the carrier to depend on helicopters to provide airborne early warning (AEW) – a major problem given that helicopters are one of the PLAN’s greatest areas of weakness. As long as the PLAN operates ski-jump carriers, therefore, it’s unclear how much the air group on the carrier will contribute to the overall ISR picture.
Another key limitation is that ski-jump carriers can’t operate tankers, whose aerial refuelling is essential for extending naval aircraft range. Thus, even if China had three carriers in the fleet, up from zero today, PLAN Aviation would still be a primarily land-based air force.
For these reasons, Chinese ski-jump carriers simply can’t be used in any of the combat roles that US Navy carriers have performed.
Issues and Challenges
1) Development or acquisition of catapult launches. Ski-jump launches are highly restrictive, and effectively limit China to operations inside the range of its handful of land-based large tanker aircraft, thus excluding the entire strategic zone between the straits of Hormuz and Malacca.
2) Landing gear. A related question concerns the plane’s ability to absorb the impact of landing. Mistakes or faulty equipment can cause major damage to the aircraft and kill or injure those on deck.
3) AEW and tanker support is needed to function at maximum combat effectiveness. China would need to negotiate access agreements of some type to deploy tankers to support any possible future operations outside the region.
4) China needs to build advanced air-launched Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles to compensate for range restrictions induced by lower fuel payloads during ski-jump operations.
5) China still faces huge challenges improving reliability and safety standards, and has yet to demonstrate top-tier indigenous production capabilities in aero engine development.
6) How many J-15s will PLAN Aviation acquire? Deploying a carrier with a full component of highly capable fighters sends a very different strategic message than deploying one outfitted primarily with helicopters.
7) Assuming that the J-10 can be turned into a successful carrier fighter, will China promote a follow-on version of the slightly-navalised variant of its already developed J-10 fighter? There’s little evidence of this as yet.
So what does all this ultimately mean? While a new step for China and an important indicator, the J-15 is limited in capability; its launch platform even more so. The key issues here are the range and payload, which are both constrained significantly by a ski-jump.
To obtain significantly extended range it’s necessary to use large tankers, which the US Air Force employs extensively, but China lacks. The limitations on number of aircraft carried and the take-off weight limits of ski-jump launched aircraft mean that Chinese planners would be faced with a very difficult choice – attack at longer ranges with a greatly reduced strike package, or bring the carrier in close to get more aircraft on target and expose the entire carrier group to greater risk.
While a first-generation Chinese carrier would not represent a threat to US ships and facilities in the way that the United States uses carriers, it could nevertheless be employed to provide significantly increased air defence to a group of surface ships in order to get them within firing range of a US carrier group or a key US base.
In addition, while a Chinese carrier group would be no match in a head-to-head confrontation with the US Navy, the very existence of a Chinese carrier capability would potentially exert significant pressure on China’s neighbours to settle maritime disputes in ways favourable to China.
One should therefore not necessarily interpret this development as aimed at a specific goal, but rather view J-15’s development as part of a long-term PLAN Aviation effort to ‘dip its toe’ in the water in order to build more robust capabilities in the long run.
Andrew Erickson is an associate professor at the US Naval War College and fellow in the Princeton-Harvard China and the World Programme. Gabe Collins is a commodity and security specialist focused on China and Russia. This is an edited and abridged version of a longer analysis. The full version can be read here.








John Chan
The picture is not a J-15, it is a new version of J-10. Chinese MilSites said J-15 is a derivative of J-11.
John Chan
The Diplomat has replaced the picture from J-10 with J-11, my comment is no longer valid.
Frank
“ski-jump carriers can’t operate tankers” ???
Commodity and security specialist Gabe Collins & associate professor Andrew Erickson need to read about how C-130 can land and take off from a foot ball field.
Also, these two do not understand that China will not use this carrier the same way as USA does. Americans want to bomb other people far away. China is using this carrier to provide air superiority. Ski-jump is fine for air superiority fighters.
J-15 and Varyag, are just a stepping stone for a Chinese designed carrier and J-18 carrier based stealth fighter.
J-15 is Not a Game Changer. J-18 will be. American’s J-35 will not be a match to J-18.
I am shocked about the ignorance of these two American “scholars”.
guest
Gabe Collins & Andrew Erickson are both respected and very respectable observers of Chinese military developments (unlike that Comic book artist David Axe). I do think their analysis here is too “conservative” in that they don’t seem to grasp that the PLAN ultimately intends to field CATOBAR carriers. In that respect, the J-15 will eventually exceed the capabilities of the F-18 E/F.
Tense
It is fake. It takes many many time for china to built fifth-generation fighter jet.
John Chan
Please read the article before China bashing, it is getting boring that anti-China clique is dishing out such no brain low quality anti-China troll. J-15 is a marine version of J-11, it is not a 5th generation jet fighter.
Frank
Tense:
You must be a low caste East Indian.
Grant
It’s amazing how the comments from a pro-Chinese writer also appear to be the comments most likely to insult Indians based purely on their nationality.
Frank
Calling him East Indian is an insult?
Or low caste is insult?
How about call me a low caste East Asian?
I do not think that is an insult to me.
Liberty N
you better use your argumenst against him not those stupid racist remarks! there’s no need to mention other people’s RACE here! You folks are so rude and uneducated not worthy to debate in this forum! I don’t know how many times this frank chinaman spitting out that kind of remark when he could not have any good argument against his opponents!
Frank
Different race makes different kind of arguments. We all have our race based logic here and there.
Typical East Indians normally have sour grape logic.
This is a typcial East Indian Sour Grape logic:
“It is fake. It takes many many time for china to built fifth-generation fighter jet.”
There is nothing racist calling an East Indian, East Indians. We cannot call him West (American) Indians, can we?
If caling somebody low caste is racial, then, India is the most racist country on this earth.
duke chan
Dear Frank:
It’s all fabricated about China Stealth fighter. Anybody see its test fly? Nope, just pictures so far. The Chinese are really good about making fake stuffs; a picture of a stealth fighter is too easy for them to produce.
If they are not able to build a decent car‘s engine, how could they build a 5th generation jet engine? China inflates its strength to bully its neighbors and the US, by doing so she shot herself in the foot.
Frank
So, do you think Commodity and security specialist Gabe Collins & associate professor Andrew Erickson are so naive to spend their time researching “fake” pictures?
John Chan
@duke chan:
I wish USA would believe you, and Pentagon would believe your expert view on China too. All those new weapons in China are fake, and nothing real, then USA would leave China alone.
Actually I would speculate that Vietnam and Philippines are hiding their advanced weapons, they are provoking confrontation between USA and China, so they can shoot American at back while they are fighting with China.
In order to rescue USA from being misled by China’s fake stuff, duke how about you take a trip to Pentagon and tell your expert view to Rob Gates and Obama too, so the US can save some money to pay the government workers in California, a lot them have troubles of buying food because the deadlock on the state budget between legislature and Jerry Brown due to their ego trip.
John Chan
China has made breakthrough in producing high strength synthetic material that used to be a Japanese monopoly and a no-sell item to China. That synthetic material can cut more weigh from J-15, so J-15 can carry more fuel and/or weapons.
There was a leak photo showing AESA radar on a J-10. J-15 is bigger than J-10, therefore J-15 also equipped with AESA radar is not a far-fetched conjecture.
There is no need for J-15 and Varyag to be game changer technological marvels, by virtue of having J-15 on Varyag, China already eliminates all the geography advantages possessed by the ASENA nations, it makes life a lot easier for China to deal with rascal states in South China Sea.
Relax
2nd that John! This clown is living in a hole.
dylanjones
Interesting article.
A couple of queries:
1) The article asserts that reliance on a ski-jump will critically hamper the future Chinese carrier force. Its not clear from the article whether this is based on certain knowledge that Chinese carriers will not have waist catapults. Is this known for sure?
2) If only ski-jumps are available, the article then asserts that helicopters are a critical weakness of the PLAN. Has the PLAN not just imported a batch of Russian AEW helicopters? There isn’t an assessment in this article of their capabilities. Couldn’t China just continue to import or reverse-engineer the Russian AEW helicopters (isn’t there also a Chinese AEW helicopter prototype already flying?).
3) The artcile makes much of the supposed USN advantage in having catapult launched acrrier tanker aircraft that would not be possible on ski-jump vessels. Hasn’t the USN phased out those aircraft (KA6D tankers and S3 tankers) and is going to rely on buddy-refuel fighters just like (potentially) the Chinese? I’m not sure if this isn’t a distinction without a difference, but maybe the authors have further thoughts or clarifications?
Frank
There was another article here about China’s twin prop AEW airplanes. It is just a shortened Chinese MA60 with a (smaller?) folding wing.
However, I agree that most likely China will just use another J-15 as refueling tanker. After emptied the fuel to attacking airplane, it can be used for fleet protections. Just have to carrier a couple pairs of PL-9 missiles.
jon.e.wlhiteford
at the end of Reagan’s term, it was generally accepted that the US could wipe ALL the oceans clean of Soviet assets. In 48hrs. THIS INCLUDED SUBMARINES!
Why did the Soviets not finish the Varyag? Why did the Soviets (more or less) have to rely on persuasion in their overseas adventures and subs for credible nuclear deterrence?
China will have to go nuclear by day 3 or 4 or back the hell up. They are showing the arrogance of the 1930s-1945 Japanese. Most of their neighbors are pissed at them right now. No overseas “landing pads” (think guam) or “friendly” ports of call. It seems almost impossible, but they seem to be making the Japanese look GOOD! And after all the small arms and ammo they gave North Vietnam, how the hell did they piss them off? (i know about the border war, but still!)
****************************************************************
also, the link ‘here’ does not take me to the longer version I would very much like to read. If you can, just send it to my email. Thanks.
They are busy creating a “hostile neighborhood” that they may NEED to defend themselves in.
Where is the much vaunted Chinese “Wisdom of the Ages”?
Frank
“I would very much like to read.” Very much ???
Then you should know that China is not creating “hostile neighborhood”. The final settlement of border disputes between Russia and China is the biggest win for China.
In 1979, when China was attacking Vietnam, Russia with a mutual protection treaty with Vietnam was the biggest concern for China.
Now, nobody has any mutual protection treaty with Vietnam, Russia and China are in some sort of alliance called SCO.
If you really read, you should also understand that South China sea was far more hostile to China than it is now.
However, I agree with you that China NEED to defend themselves in South China Sea.
That is why China is developing carriers.
China is not developing carriers to attack their best customers and borrowers. We need you to work hard and pay back our money.
John Chan
@jon.e.wlhiteford:
Are you related to the US naval officer in the NATO HQ bragging, “finishing off PLAN is an interesting morning exercise?” Or are you related to Burwell B Bell? His famous quote “if China took part in the Korea Peninsular War, back to the Chinese economy 100 year ago.” Your attitude surly resembles the hubris and ignorance of those two gentlemen.
Jon, USA’s military performance in Asia after WWII was not impressed. Two meaningful contests in Asia, USA military was the one “back the hell up.” It is better for you put the USA’s arrogance in check so USA can climb down from high horse easier.
There are many ways to persuade USA to be reasonable. WMD definitely is not needed. Anyhow Jon, please stop talking nonsense “go nuclear,” nobody would use that idiotic thing; USA will not risk its homeland becoming waste land because some military collateral damages overseas. Would you want to breathe toxic radioactive air for rest of your life?
Nobody is provoking USA, yet USA is at war with everybody else, bombing and killing non-stop since WWII.
Grant
It’s true that a carrier would exert pressure, but only to a certain degree. If China actually used it to sink another nation’s ships or to strike at that nation it would simply convince them to seek closer ties to nations like the U.S*.
*Of course with China’s recent actions you could be forgiven for thinking that this is China’s plan.
Frank
One carrier would not exert much pressure. 4 or 5 will.
China actually promotes other nations like North Korea, Cuba to seek closer ties to USA.
USA is China’s best customer and borrower. The more nations seek and pay for the help from USA, the better the chance that USA will pay back their debt to China.
China and USA are not going to kill each other. The worst, they will whack each other’s dogs.
John Chan
@Grant:
Setting up an innocent China as a foul guy in order to exploit the venerability of smaller nations for profits, it is the wrong thing for USA to do.
Liberty N
mr frank,
this forum is for debates and arguments not for that sort of nosy on other people’s race or privacy! I think Mr. Tense should give this chinaman an answer for this kind of cheap remark so he could understand some courtesy in the daily life of a civilized society!
East Chinaman Frank
I agree that those who “nosy on other people’s privacy” should “understand some courtesy in the daily life of a civilized society!”
You are talking about USA, are you not?
Liberty N
The US is the protector,balancer & facilitator for the world’s peace and prosperity. By contrast, communist china is just a spoiler, ‘destructor’ and global bullying thug, a disruptive force to destabilize the current world order and the peaceful international community. That’s the stark reality needed to bear in mind!
Frank
“The US is the protector,balancer & facilitator for the world’s peace and prosperity. ”
We know. WE know
duke chan
John Chan,
You said” I wish USA would believe you, and Pentagon would believe your expert view on China too. All those new weapons in China are fake, and nothing real, then USA would leave China alone”
The US officials know those are fake, they never confirm or deny because they want to sell their old weapons to the countries bullied by China instead dump them into Ocean.
John Chan
@duke chan:
Setting up an innocent China as a foul guy in order to exploit the venerability of smaller nations for profits, it is the wrong thing for USA to do.
Are you telling the world that USA is a heartless war merchant who cares no other human beings, but just the greasy greenback?
Are you sure you are an American, don’t you think you are portraying a terrible image for the USA to the world? Is it rather a traitor’s behaviour? duke chan, you better watch out your back, Homeland Security is watching, they might call you soon. So don’t open door to anyone.
Indian
Please note that India made all its citizens (men, women, high caste, low caste, any religion, black, white, yellow, brown) equal in 1947. That was much before it happened in many countries in the West and East. President Obama in an address to the Indian Parliament said that had Martin Luther King not been inspired by the Indian Freedom Movement, he may not have been there on that day, talking to the Indian Parliament.
harry
says a guy from the equal country of india with 75% reletive poverty rate, a 44% illitracy rate, and the only country in the world that still practice the caste system widly. yea we believe you =)
Siddharth
Poor Harry the delusional repeating 7 years old data.
concerned
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what is the editor/administrator of the site doing ! Has he lost his eyes..?? Doesn’t he notice the abuses being posted !
keep your words please.
guest
I loathe this India vs China mentality that pervades the internet. Please knock it off guys. Go make fun of the pathetic Vietnamese instead. They sell their daughters to ugly Chinese peasant farmers for $$$.
Observer
Yup, they are the same one that kicked Chinese invaders butts over and over for several thousands years and Chinese are still bitter about it.
A much bigger bully got kicked out by a smaller foe. How pathetic.
Frank
Bitter about not occupying Vietnam?
You must be an East Indian.
Vietnam is a liability.
William Stone
The marvel here should not be the J-15 nor even future aircraft China will eventually possess. As time marches forward, people progress. It is therefore logical that China will update its resources and ability to meet the needs of it’s own people. I am certain that China will find value in the J-15 until its needs change.
I do, however, enjoy reading the anti-American conspiracy theories propagated by those who feign claims of anti-Chinese distortionism and slander.
guest
As I was saying in another comment:
This article is unfair to China! Boooo! Mao is a God! Boooo! If you disagree y0ou must be Indian! Boooo!
You could of course replace China with USA, Mao with Jesus and India with Commie. Because what both China and America have in common is an immensely irritating self victimization complex that paints their own motives as whiter than snow and perceives anti-American/Chinese forces everywhere.
guest
If you took to care note, most of the 50cent fury is directed against Indians not Americans but as is typical, Americans are too playing the victim to notice.
cewing
I liked this article much better than Tim’s. Chinese development issues are numerous and extensive- we’ll see how it goes and how fast.
injunfuz
Come on Come on .Please leave all the wounderful comments .First China must demostrate its J15 Aircraft in Full View Picture.Then we can comments.We live in a civilise world .
Just don’t Hu Ha Hu ha”"
Let us judge when they are in Operation
MJ
New Images Of Chinese J-15 Flying Shark Naval Fighter Jet
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=167740&stc=1