After a decade of steady expansion, the Chinese military has made significant strides toward limiting the United States’ ability to deploy its own armed forces in the western Pacific. A combination of new submarines, long-range anti-ship missiles and heavily-armed jet fighters underpins what the Pentagon calls Beijing's ‘anti-access, area-denial’ strategy, aimed at keeping the warships of the US Seventh Fleet, based in Japan, out of the South China Sea.
Successful area-denial would grant Beijing greater leeway in shaping the politics and markets of East Asia—and could even facilitate an armed attack on Taiwan, though this seems increasingly unlikely as relations between the two continue to warm.
Washington is taking this challenge seriously. The US Navy and Air Force are both developing robotic aircraft that could help erase China's recent military gains.
Among the US armed forces, the Navy has lost the most ground in the Pacific. That trend has its roots in the mid-1990s, when the sailing branch retired its Grumman-built A-6 Intruder carrier strike planes, whose 1,000-mile range allowed the Seventh Fleet to hit land and sea targets well beyond the range of enemy defences. Today’s F/A-18 strike fighters have barely half the range.
‘Reversing the erosion of the Navy’s strike advantage will require investments in a new generation of capabilities to increase the range, persistence and survivability of carrier aircraft,’ Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, a Washington, D.C. think tank, posited in a September report. ‘Without such investments, US aircraft carriers will be locked into a concept of operations that is dependent on relatively benign, permissive operating conditions.’
The stealthy F-35C manned fighter, slated to enter service in around five years, won’t significantly improve upon the F-18’s range. But a robotic fighter, with no requirement to support a human operator on-board, could do so. ‘Carrier-based unmanned aircraft systems have tremendous potential, especially in increasing the range and persistence of our intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance operations, as well as our ability to strike targets quickly,’ Vice Adm. Scott Van Buskirk, commander of the US 7th Fleet, told the Associated Press last week.
The Navy has two programmes underway aimed at fielding a strike drone before the end of the decade. The Unmanned Combat Air System Demonstration, a roughly $1.2-billion effort led by Northrop Grumman, is currently testing a pair of flying-wing-shaped X-47 drones from land bases, and should send those aircraft to an aircraft carrier at sea no later than 2013.
The Unmanned Carrier-Launched Airborne Strike and Surveillance competition will build upon the UCAS-D test findings and pick an operational attack drone from a field of (so far) three: a version of the X-47, Boeing’s similar but slimmer X-45 and the “Sea Avenger” from General Atomics, maker of the Air Force's Predator and Reaper drones.
Chief of Naval Operations Gary Roughead said he wants the UCLASS robot in operation before 2018. ‘We've got to get that capability out there because I think it can make a huge difference,’ Roughead said in August.
The Air Force already possesses a small number of aircraft capable of penetrating Chinese defenses at long range. With aerial refueling, the 20 B-2 stealth bombers can strike targets anywhere in the world from their main base in Missouri, or from their forward operating location on Guam.
To expand this strike capacity, the Air Force last year launched a programme to buy 80-100 new stealth bombers. These could operate in conjunction with a new robotic strike plane that might fly ahead of the bomber, destroying air defences or spotting targets.
The X-47 could compete for that requirement, but the X-45 is the more likely candidate, as one former Boeing engineer explained. The X-47 is optimized for the rough life at sea, so it’s built thick, tough and simple. The X-45 is slimmer, more delicate and more sophisticated. That makes it an inferior carrier plane, but with better ‘low-observable’ characteristics—a.k.a., stealth—than the X-47. ‘The Navy doesn't much care about LO compared to the Air Force,’ the engineer said. ‘In part because it’s going to be really hard to maintain it in a carrier environment.’
With its smaller size, the X-45 will be even stealthier than the Air Force's new F-35A manned fighter, the engineer continued. ‘Compare the shapes and profiles (of the F-35 and the X-45). Who do you think is going to have the higher probably of being killed?’
The result, if all these programmes proceed at their current pace, could be new arsenal of robotic strike aircraft, operating from the 7th Fleet's aircraft carrier and the Air Force's Pacific bases, before the end of the decade. The pilotless strikers could include a tough carrier model for the Navy and a stealthier version for the Air Force—quite possibly the X-47 and X-45, respectively.
Together, the US drones could help reverse the steady expansion of so-called ‘denied’ territory on China's maritime border.
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Eric Palmer
If successful, the bat-wing drones will help.
However while they are broadband stealth, they are also sub-sonic and with low band and very low band sensors already in the region operated by China, they can be detected, and have fighters vectored to them. These fighters have IRST, reasonable speed and can run down the drones and kill them.
Then there is the issue of network denial; gear of which China already has and is working on. In network denied environments, the mission set for the drones will be that of tomahawks vs. fixed target, except the drones can RTB. Go here: drop weapon, RTB.
Useful, but not the full answer.
T E Low
The US is not the only one with drones.
Grant
True but we are the nation with the latest technology and most experience in using them. Also we have a massive advantage over China in that the fighting would be taking place in Chinese airspace, not American.
Mario
Mate chinese are generations behind us.We had stealth back in ’80s,Chinese still haven’t got one yet.All this chinese “hype” is just to feed headlines.
Frank
It is American’s headlines.
eb1
…..and also not knowing the true Chinese drone manufacturing (and usage) capability.
Frank
“the fighting would be taking place in Chinese airspace, not American.”
How can you be so sure?
China has ICBM. This drone cannot deal with that.
guest
ICBM is too escalatory. IRBM and long range cruise missiles are enough.
Because they best way of taking out any kind of aircraft, be it drone or manned is on the ground.
Grant
The drones can’t stop them, but China’s strategy is largely oriented towards denying the U.S the ability to act near China. If China ever broadened the war to include ICBMs it would have just two results. The first would be to raise fears of a nuclear missile being fired, greatly escalating the conflict. The second would be to harden the position of the American public. It’s one thing to fight American soldiers in Southeast Asia, it’s quite another to launch attacks on American soil*. Doing so would guarantee the U.S wouldn’t stop short of total victory.
*Something that I don’t think the world understands is how sensitive the U.S is about attacks on American soil. The Pearl Harbor attacks did damage the Pacific fleet, but the response was the near-total destruction of the Japanese military.
John Chan
The American youth’s anti-draft movement in 1970s broke the myth of American patriotism; American youth’s selfishness is the cause of the US’ biggest military disgrace in its young existence as a nation.
USA is a financial egoism society; greed and money prevail, “ask what the nation can do for me, not to ask what I can do for the nation” is on every American’s mind which is a mind of entitlement; public with such mind is not a nation that can ensure total victory that needs hard and deep sacrifice from everybody of the public.
That’s why the US abandoned the draft and went for mercenary system to fill the bodies needed for its military machinery. This is exactly the same phenomenon during the dying days of Roman Empire.
NIMBY American public will yell for peace settlement and demands the right to comfortable life at the minutes WMD is landed in their neighbourhood.
The US won WWII by production capacity is a known fact. Nowadays China has more resources and production capacity than the US; banking on an out of date WWII winning formula to guarantee USA’s future winning result in a confrontation with an adversary that is totally different from Japan seems delusional.
Ikke
Comparing the US to the Roman empire is somewhat very wrong. As far as I know, there are no Huns on their borders.
But aside from that, underestimating the industrial power of the USA is something the Japanese once did. And we all know how that turned out.
Also, full scale global conflicts are something of the past. Luckily.
Grant
In re. to John Chan: Thank you for proving my point that the world (and China in particular) really doesn’t understand the American perspective.
John Chan
@Grant, it seems we are in the same boat but sit on the opposite ends of the boat. Grant, thank you for proving my point that the world (and USA in particular) really doesn’t understand China’s perspective.
It seems USA continues her arrogance and to blame others not understanding her, yet she never has intention to get down from the high horse and talk to common folks living together in this planet earth.
As people said, unless China can be equal to the USA, China will not be respect by the US. Thanks for you confirming that China has been on the right track to earn respect from the US.
Grant
Respect doesn’t come from power. Respect comes from trust built on good relations.
eb1
“Respect doesn’t come from power. Respect comes from trust built on good relations.”
Good statement, then perhaps the U.S. should withdraw from all their military bases across the whole world, especially the ones surrounding China.
John Chan
@Grant, that was Chinese traditional way of getting respect from others, it is the core value of Confucianism, such as love, respect, be considerate, helpful, etc. Since First Opium War, westerner powers and Japanese brutality and racist attitude supported by their superior killing machines forced Chinese to rethink their ancient wisdom. Through the painful experience of last 150 years in China, Chinese have learnt from the cruel reality imposed on them by the westerners and Japanese is that you don’t get respect unless you get the power to support the respect you are looking for. Once you got respect, then you can build trust on good relations, and carry out Victorian style civilized endeavours.
Anyhow, the western democracies constantly remind China not to forget such principle “you don’t get respect unless you are being equal.”
Grant
Then what of Vietnam, South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Malaysia and all the other Asian states? By that logic the only they can be safe is to grow powerful enough to threaten China and now we’re back at the arms race. Too bad, at least it means that Americans who can speak those languages will be able to find jobs. I should start putting more effort into learning Japanese.
Observer
True, but US drones won’t be full of lead paint and explosive as watermelons from China. LOL.
Frank
I can assure you that this aircraft has parts made in China.
You cannot avoid buying from China.
I bet you.
Grant
Drones might be tactically useful (though I think we rely on they’re hypothetical capabilities a bit too much) but I suspect all it’ll really do is cause the Chinese to investigate ways to counter them in the same way China’s new anti-ship missiles have to the U.S. You don’t really win an arms race, you just stay afloat.
Guest
>You don’t really win an arms race, you just stay afloat.
Wise words.
Frank
You can win an arms race by economic means.
Grant
That’s assuming the money you spend on expensive weapons doesn’t manage to bankrupt your country, which is part of what ruined the Soviet economy thirty years ago*.
*Of course things were very complicated, but spending too much money on unnecessary nuclear weapons wasn’t bright.
Frank
Very true.
Who spend more? China or America?
DAN
China’s new missile fully operational in 2015 will have a range of 4000KM from the upper atmosphere to beneath the oceans. You can buy drones made from China thats supersonic and missile carrier.
Alex
Why dosn’t the U.S. simply invest in a heavy or even medium aircraft for the navy.
The F-111, A-7, and F-14 were all retired by Dick Cheney without replacements because the man had a grudge against Grumman Aircraft. He diverted funding from these programs into the failed Expeditionary Combat Vehicle and the navy has been handicapped ever since.
Kevin
The A-7 was an LVT product replaced by the FA-18 when Cheney was in congress. The F-111 was an Air Force platform manufactured principally by General Dynamics. The decision to retire the F-14 was made in the 1990s when Cohen was Secretary of Defense. Try a few facts.
George
I apprecaite the thought that X-45C is lighter, technically elegant, but realistically folks Boeing has never fielded a stealth platform. Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman have owned that space and Boeing has been left to use the tack on approach to current systems.
Size and weight are not impediments to stealth or the B-2 wouldn’t still be a national asset. The F-22 is remarkable. If X-47 works successfully on the carrier deck, there is no problem lighting the aircraft to be an even jazzier Air Force version. Boeing knows this or should look at it’s history, say A-4,F-4, are good examples.
Grant I disagree, you can win an arms race, we have before, really more than once, if the arms come with training, doctrine and CONOPS, that are robust.
The Chinese will advance and become formidable, especially regionally, but there level of integration is still lacking. There resources for protracted conflict in the face of denial of resources such as energy are lacking. Their missles are interesting but defeatable, their ability to design and develop systems aaprart from Russian spinoffs only nacent. Their cyber capabilities are very good.
They have what they need defensively, and as long as we can avoid pushing the Tiwan button confict is a couple of decades off.
Frank
Agreed.
Chinese love money. They will never attack their best customer and borrower.
Tango
Hey “John chan’
better not boast too much!Buying the US-Tbonds is just the cheating to hold down the yuan for China’s export advantage! That’s bad practice must be stopped! So don’t brag too much!There’s no borrower here!Pathetic!China’s economy is imminent to implode!Then ‘breakup’!
Tango
Hey “john chan’
where are your j18s & 20s & DF21D? So scared of X47Bs that dare not to show up to bully other neighbors, right?!Ready to be roasted hahaha!! China’s technology is still inferior but it boast too much! Hope to see your ‘J20s’ in 2035!!
Tango
Hey “john chan-frank’
you want to kick indian butts again?hhahaha!! I feel sorry for you, pathetic!Where are your “advanced weapons” to roast the ducks?!Show them to me!hahaha!Just boast then whining!Good night, pathetic!!
Frank
If you are not an Indian,
why do you care that we can kick Indian’s butt?
Why are you so ashamed to admit that you are an East Indian?
John Chan
X-47 is a jet fighter size drone, as the configuration shows, it flies subsonic like B-2. The F-18s combat range is 390nm with 4400lb weapon, so X-47 falls in that ballpark. Meanwhile “The Navy doesn’t much care about LO.”
The DF-21 strike range is 1100-2200 miles at Mach 10 speed. How can a drone that is slow, short ranged, limited stealth, and small weapon payload reverse the advantage of China’s area-denial strategy enforced by a weapon that is long range, super fast and equipped with a huge ship killer warhead? All the arguments presented are based off presupposition, instead of reasoned demonstration of facts. Is the US Navy getting desperate about their future that they have to come up with hair brained schemes?
Jim Chen
Total BS. Mach 10 for the DF-21? Muah ha ha ha…
At least China’s attempt to make the mass feel good has some successes…
Jason
This article is one big non sequitur: I fail to see how this drone can negate the most important element of Chinese anti-access strategy, which is the anti-ship ballistic missile system. Does this drone serve as an early warning against incoming ASBMs? Is this drone capable of intercepting the ASBMs?
If it does not, which is most certainly the case, then what difference does the drone make? The ASBMS will take out the carriers, and the drones will be on the bottom of the Pacific.
Delmar Jackson
Jason, you are correct. it is currently impossible to defend from a launch of many ASBMs at one time at one target.
Tango
Hey John Chan,
Let me correct you! The unrefilled combat radius of X47B is 1,500 nautical miles (1nm=1,852m or 1km852) while the max range of DF21D is 1,500km! The stealthy X47Bs will be operationally deployed on US carriers near China’s coast latest by 2018 ! So scary, huh?!
John Chan
@Tango, I have thought the possibility of “The unrefilled combat radius of X47B is 1,500 nautical miles” too. The unconfirmed source said, X47B is propelled by an ion anti-gravity thruster developed and manufactured by India DRDO. The US and India are under negotiation to transfer that technology from India to the US, in return USA will create a new permanent seat in UNSC for India.
Tango
You know ‘too much’, ‘James Bond 0000007B’!!So dangerous, John!
Tango
Hey John,
Watch this video to know how X47Bs will destroy your mobile DF21Ds !
http://hypersonicmissile.com/2010/08/northrop-grumman-x-47b/
Frank
Tango:
You are an Indian. Why don’t you care about India?
Prakash
Hello John Chan, would you mind giving me some more information about the ion anti-gravity thruster developed by the DRDO to this address: expect112 AT gmail.com
John Chan
@Tango, you can express 1nm = 1,852m or 1.852km, but you cannot write 1.852km as 1km852 which can only come from a person has not done maths and physics courses.
Tango
Really?! Just with this unrefueled range around 2700km, these stealthy X47Bs plus cruise missiles are easy to nullify all your mobile ‘DF21Ds!’ and fry all your ’stealth’J20s right on the grounds!!And then…what’s next, John Chan?!
Frank
The next is to fry Indians butts.
Tango
You are so pathetic and rude! I’m not Indian, but I hate your stupid cheap racial slurs that can not be tolerated in our country! I don’t think you’re a Chinese! I have a lot of my friends who are Chinese here, even my closest friends are Chinese, but they are quite different not like you!They are educated, nice, and sociable! So sorry, Mr ?? ! We are waiting to put to rest all your J18s, J20s& DF21Ds for good! Hahaha!
Tango
You better have some argument with me. Don’t play this sort of trick! It’s rude and low-level! Sorry to say that. Mr.’ John Chan’!Now I’m sure to call you ‘Mr. John Chan”!!! Ha haha!
Frank
Only East Indians are afraid of being called East Indians. Other people do not give a dame about India.
Only East Indians would align India with any East Asia countries.
You have to be an East Indian.
Why are you so ashamed to admit? Why do Indians are so ashamed to be called Indians?
Girish
@Frank
“Why are you so ashamed to admit? Why do Indians are so ashamed to be called Indians?”
What the hell kind of comment was that? Why will Indians feel shame to be called Indians? Are we not a progressive country and a progressive civilization?
Or do you want me to give you a lesson on that?
By the way why Chinese change their names to some English names? do they feels shame of their names? have you never seen Indian changes their names in Westerns country?
lol..
Frank
Chinese can have many names. A name at young. A name when growing up. Another name for school. Another name for work. That is very normal.
However, regardless what name they use. Once a Chinese, always a Chinese.
Indians are trying to pretend to be non-Indians all the time. Every day, there are people with Indian accent calling other people pretending that they are Americans, English, Australians, etc.
Why do Indians have to pretend to be other people?
Tango, Kimpo and Johnny apparently are Indians. They have common India logics.
However, each of them is very ashamed to admit that they are Indians.
Why are you so ashamed to admit that you are Indians?
John Chan
@Tango, how can you be taken seriously by Frank, or by anybody in that matter; you even can’t express a length measurement properly. Is it 1km852 the way they teach in IIT?
Tango
Hey John Chan!
I’m not the ‘expert’ like you! I’m just an ordinary person with some knowledge enough to talk with you and even teasing you!!Hahaha!but even the ‘know-all expert’ like you did not know anything about X47B even its combat range! How come, John, my expert?!Hahaha!
Frank
You are a dirty East Indian.
violator
Americans can’t except the fact that they can’t stay on top forever….In 5 yrs time the US will be that broke,lets face reality.
All empires come to an end….this is Americas turn!
Enquisitor
That is assuming America was actually an empire in the first place. All hyperpole with a lot of nonsense. It seems China and many nations in the world have nothing for America but envy, jealousy and hate.
John Chan
@Enquisitor, you are violating intelligence property right, “envy, jealousy and hate” has been coined by the Chinese bloggers to expose the cause why India, USA, and many nations in the world have been ganging up against China.
Frank
You are wrong. Chinese love Americans.
Who do not love their best customer and borrower?
DAN
Americans are not going to be happy when the DF21D sinks an aircraft carrier with 5000 Americans. With a DF21D shot from a J20 or even a China drone you can extend the antiaccess radius. As I posted before the new missiles in 2015 will increase this to a minimum of 4000km radius added to this is the range of Chinese drones and jets.
With the number of subs the Chinese are building they can launch nukes from both the Pacific as well as the Atlantic. Nobody wins.
The anti missile shield in China was just tested 2 months ago.
Tango
You folks again boast too much like ‘John-Chan-the expert’! So far nothing proves that DF21D is a real threat to the US. Better talk about something real not myths or fictions like ‘John Chan-the expert- always bragged!
Frank
Now you Indians finally understand that 1.4 billion Chinese are actually ONE.
We can sink your tiny carrier with DF21D in 10 min.
Tango
Hey ‘john chan-frank’
Your reasoning is so pathetic! This again proves that Chinese (sorry to say that!)like you had no ability and knowledge to do anything (jusy boating& whining&bullying!)even to know who the person talking with you is !!! So don’t boast to much about sinking any US carrier with your”DF21D!” (you can do it to the Indians,, then you folks could fight with each other. That’s none of our business!)then the whole China will become ash just in 10 minutes! maybe you’re not John chan. At least he’s a bit smarter than you, idiot!You’re living in the US, but you know nothing! Back to college, learn some more knowledge !so pathetic!
DAN
China wont become ash. Their anti missile shield works so if you really want a war the US is doomed. The US anti missile system is a total failure testing on liquid fuel missiles thats sub sonic. Try replicating shooting down a supersonic missiles in the upper atmosphere.
The US does not have anti ship technology so they simply have no concept of how it works. The DF21D has been tested on land and is fully operational.
They are now working on the next generation with a range of 4000KM operational in 2015.
According to the Jamestown Foundation the J20 makes the Chinese arial supreme. August 2nd watch the US military cut to zero.
John Chan
@Tango, using disrespectful words such as pathetic in a debate is a sign of losing because you cannot outsmart Frank with reasons, knowledge and persuasion. Anger also makes you look like idiot. So as you said you should “Back to college, learn some more knowledge”, but this time please make sure you learn how to write out measurements properly.
eb1
I don’t think China has to hit the U.S. mainland to win the Sino-US war. China only needs to deter/destroy the U.S. fleet and their supporting bases along Chinese coast and in Japan/Guam, and to shoot down U.S. long range bombers — both are well within PLA’s capability. Only the U.S. will think attacking those places is equal to attacking the U.S. mainland itself, not the international community though.
Frank
I am wondering why calling Tango an Indian making him so angry. He has to be one.
China will have a missile shield way before India can develop one. China should take out all of India’s primitive nukes before India can develop a missile shield.
Americans never liked the idea that everybody owns nukes. Americans will watch China taking out all of India’s nukes in exchange for North Korea and Pakistan giving up their nukes.
Americans watched China beat the crap out of Indians in 1962.
Tango
Just do it again , my poor idiot!But don’t play game with the US or else!Remember that! We will burn you to hell! Don’t challenge us ! Remember Pearl Harbor and 9/11! That’s my last words! Won’t waste any more words with you!
eb1
Actually the best the India military can do is to bully Pakistan.
Tango
Dan,
That’s just their own opinion! do not jump to conclusion just based on someone else’s opinion!It’s wrong most of the time. actually, china has made progresses in many areas (technology etc.)recently. You folks are very smart.but don’t boast too much.there’s still a long way to go!Noone wants war! remember that!
Tango
Hey John Chan,
Now you’re angry, right? Hahaha my expert! I’ve already told you I’m just an ordinary person with some knowledge enough for teasing you! Hahaha! but even you’re an expert why you did not know even the combat radius of X47B? How come? If you read all Frank’s comments about the Indians you will see that it’s so rude and uneducated and not acceptable to everybody including the non-Indian like us! Especiall Iknow for sure that Frank is currently in the US where those racial slurs cannot be accepted and tolerated & it’s a crime here!OK don’t waste time with this kind of racial slur any more!Ignore it!Hahaaha
Frank
I said India is a dirty country. Is that a racial slur?
I also said Indians are mean to those who they preceived as poor and weak. However, if confronted, Indians will run with tails between their legs.
Indians are not mean to poor and preceived weak people?
There are plenty of historical examples of that India behavior.
Is that a racial slur?
I said you are an East Indian not a native American Indian. I am an East Asian.
Is that a racial slur?
eb1
Actually India is very upset with China’s influence in the area, in Africa, and particularly in the Indian Ocean when Chinese Navy has shown its capability to patrol in the Somali waters. Now India is even more frustrated when she sees Chinese drones patrolling the Himalayan areas. Afterall, India has fought China a few times in the past and has not won a single conflict.
james
why don’t you guys just fight with each other to know who will be the next Asia’s boss!Just go ahead China!Let the world know China’s new great power and strength!!
Observer
@ Frank – you said “will run with tails between their legs.” You must be talking about Chinese when they confront by a much smaller nation such as Mongolia, Mongolia, Britain, Japan. Even Chinese could not beat little Vietnam (see 1979 border war).
Look like Chinese ARE the ones with a lot of experience of running with the tails between their legs.
Observer
It should say “Mongolia, Manchuria…” in my previous post.
John Chan
@Tango, you got it all wrong, you felt USA’s pride was hurt by the China’s boasting achievements, but all those boasted achievements are fabricated by the US, Japan, India, etc. anti-China clique to rally and support their encirclement/containment of China, because they felt threatened by a new kids on the block who has his own mind and want to do things in his own way.
For example ASBM is a creation by the US Navy, China has never said it has such weapon. China Threat is a joint invention between the US and Japan. Military technology embargo imposed on China by the US, EU and Japan surely proves they have hideous design for China, as the Mafia say, nip them in the bud.
Tango, you have been brainwashed by the neocon warmongers.
Chinese bloggers are here to expose lies told on China, clean smear painted on China and correct distorted truth and twisted facts fabricated for China. Chinese bloggers are here to express and discuss point of view in the perspective of ordinary Chinese.
Tango
Chan,
I’m pro neo-cons. Let you know that!Don’t mess with us! Sorry!
Tango
My last words with you: I like to have some fun (by teasing you every time!)! But now it’s over! Regarding your question on measurement, now I give you my answer:
either 1km852 or 1.852km are correct! Go back asking your math teacher! I know you’re still young! That’s it!
John Chan
@Tango, nobody is at war with the US, but USA is at war with everybody else, they are even looking for wars at half way across the globe from their own home turf. The US can chew up others, but so far the only encounter between the US and China in Korea, the US’ performance was disappointing, the US did not show up even with their biggest 5 star generalissimo at helm, their superior firepower could not match the will, purposefulness and skills of the Chinese Volunteers.
In order to have a secure environment to develop to the stage that China can transform into democracy, Chinese Monroe Doctrine is a must; don’t you agree that the US should oblige China’s need like the Brits and exit Asia gracefully? Because USA itself was developed under such circumstance; for the sake of harmonious relationship between the US people and Chinese people, and the US is world leader in democracy and western culture.
eb1
Like India, the U.S. has never able to beat China in foreign soil (Korea and Vietnam), I don’t see how she can dream of beating China if the war is fought in the Chinese homefront.
Tango
@eb1,
I wonder why you folks, chinese guys and east indians guys hate each other too much don’t go fight with each other till (which) one is the last man standing to receive the baton from the Americans! I think James is right! I just copy his suggestion!!I bet on both of you folks!Hahaha!
eb1
Well, India has already tried that in the past and each time it was a defeat. She is still trying but upset by her strongest competitor all the time in all fronts like financial/industrial development, aerospace development, and international influence. So why waste money and lives again to a conquest that you will never prevail?
Tango
@eb1,
can you read and understand English, eb1?? I bet you chinese guys can not beat the east indians guys, so just go beat them again! Whomever the winner will be given the baton from the boss Americans!Hahaha!OK! Enough for joking with you!bye!
eb1
The English is very simple: India is incompetent to challenge China, therefore there is no need to fight China again to determine who can check U.S. expansionism in the APAC Region. India may like to beg the U.S. to be her boss, as like what she had done with Japan during WW2, but that’s never the case for China.
DAN
Actually its the Australian’s opinion. I read the article 6 years ago, its only recently that the US media picked it up.
No one wants war and China would be happy for the US to maintain it position as number 1 military power however the US feels uncomfortable when any country could even challenge them. The US needs to feel that they could decimate any country. You will find most people in the world deplore this gun boat diplomacy. Most people like a balance between military power so that there would be peace.
We seldom boast but this is the decade for China to shine in the Olympics as well as Expo, a wave of nationalism gives a billion people something to be proud of after 2 centuries of oppression.
Tango
@eb1,
Maybe the indian guys too bad can not beat you the chinese guys, but the US can beat up you chinese guys badly any time! the Americans are always the best! Remember that! any question?
eb1
That depends on where and when. As said earlier the U.S. couldn’t even beat China in Korea and Vietnam , if the time is now and the theatre is at China’s doorstep? I don’t the U.S. can win either.
Tango
The US always protected China against Japan, and later against USSR. But you guys played tricks too much! Suddently intervening in Korea is not a good way! In Vietnam, the US withdrew due to already shaking hands with China to contain the USSR! That’s a strategic calculation, not defeat! You already saw the collapse of USSR ! We like the Chinese people but not the CCP!OK. That’s enough! Bye !
eb1
Nationalist China was part of the Allied during WW2, and she helped to drag down the mass of the Japanese forces in China to allow the U.S. to cut through Japanese defenses in PTO. Communist China has fought and defeated the USSR without U.S. help (that’s illogical anyway). For Vietnam, the so-called ’strategic calculation’ is simiply a face-saving excuse for an otherwise shameful U.S. withdrawal. Every able person knows that China has forced the U.S./U.N. to an armistic in Korea, and the U.S. lost the Vietnam War. So the facts still stand: India cannot take over China, and the U.S. cannot defeat China at China’s homefront.
WL Lin
“the US can beat up you chinese guys badly any time! the Americans are always the best” Really. BS. US could not beat China in the Korean War suffering the longest military retreat in their history. And that was when China was poor and their military did not even have enough weapons. Today with 3T dollars in foreign reserves and a huge manufacturing base, the Americans would be in for a nasty surprise if they attack China. If there is a war between USA and China, it will not just be limited to these two countries, it will be a war between two civilizations.
Truong Nguyen
Chinese wanted to teach her tiny neighbor Vietnam in 1978 and got her butt kicked. Our Vietnamese government only sent local militias to face regular PLA soldiers at the border and we mauled them badly (Regular Vietnamese were pulled to protect Hanoi, the capitol). If the Chinese want to bully Vietnamese or Phillipines or any of her smaller neighbors in the South Sea conflict, we will teach them a lesson again. Between the 2 devils, U.S and China, I rather choose U.S. China has tried to dominate Vietnam for thousands of years but they have never succeeded.
Manoj
@John Chan,
Calling American sissies and ready to capitulate at the first sign of WMD’s in their locality is a sign that you don’t understand the americans.
Just look at your movies and theirs. Your movies are less violent and the violent ones are about hand to hand combat. Just look at the last 20 movies produced by American society that were hits and you will see what I mean.
They are a warrior race and love war. If you love what you do , its very difficult to outclass you in that field. I’m not saying they cannot be defeated ever, but will need a qualitative improvement in Chinese capabilities by several orders of magnitude (perhaps over a century) and then too only through MAD.
Reg China, the biggest weakness of China and the reason they don’t command respect is their stated ideology. An authoritarian society can never command respect from humans, including your own. It is not compatible with intellectual evolution of our species.
btw, I don’t think China has the confidence and capability to even go after my country (present day India), leave alone the US.
Manoj
eb1
As to say China doesn’t have the confidence and capability to go after India, Nehru has thought the same, and that has caused India to lost the 1962 war with China.
Leonard R.
This thread has been very entertaining.
Well done, everybody.
The article seems innocuous enough to me.
But it sure has riled people up.
And it’s always exciting to see the regular 5 RMB’ers rise up to defend
the Middle Kingdom’s honor.
Where is Genghis Khan now that we need him?
David Tang
So Grant says the US public wont tolerate any attack on US soil.So what makes him think the Chinese will accept American attack on Mainland China? So basically
it is the rule of the jungle.
Well the US may be able to pulverize and destroy China as in 2011 but the PLA are making sure it wont be painless for the US.It will get more painful as the years drift bt by.
mysticaltemplar
ALL of YOU, BOTH CHINESE AND AMERICANS, ARE FOOLS.
If there is ever a war, the only losers will be yourself. Both countries have missiles capable of reaching each others mainland.
As for a conventional warfare…the Chinese are seriously mistaken if they try to take over a country in the region (example Vietnam) and think that other countries like USA, India, and Japan will not respond then they have SERIOUSLY mistaken.
My prediction is there will be a war sometime down the road when China tries to exert its power and oversteps on a country like Vietnam and it will be their end in a conventional war. Of course it will be the end of BOTH USA and China if it is nuclear.
Michael Taylor
Poor news – Syria’s ‘mutilation mystery’ increases…
Andrew Villa
Let us get something straight! Just because China has size, means nothing! History shows us that will, experience and smart fighting overcomes size. China is still trying to catch up as they mimic America. You really think we have shown all our cards. If war started with China, there are too many negative effects against China. One! There money dwindles because we are there money along with other western countries. Two! Internal conflict will begin because China is still a communist country that gives no rights to the people. Three! You put America into the corner everything we have known and unknown comes out to play. Maybe one day we will Fall as Americans, but that time is not now. And those of you that hate America, take note that we Americans would be the first to come help you. While America does have ideals to change the world…at least it won’t be China’s world domination of communism. By the way the only reason they have gained economically is due to: Capitalism!!!!!!
kenya
I have read through this thread and i couldn’t help but laugh. Any way my own opinion is tht i would like to see a multipolar world. Americans have abused their power, n am pretty sure Chinese will too if they become the preeminent force. Consequently i would like to c a strong US, a strong china, strong Russia, india, brazil e.t.c e.t.c. On China though i would like to say we in africa are proud of their progress n wish them all the best.
Lung Sha Shou
John Chan – itching for a fight, full of so called patriotism – blind to China’s wickedness – he represents very will the simmering hatred carefully nurtured by the murderous regime he supports.
None of the China Boogers have a coherent set of values that they would stand by, preferring to twist and turn and blame other nations China’s weaknesses and problems.
Whatever gave it the right to leacture and pronounce – reminiscent of the regime itself which cannot abide truth except as it sees fit.
It makes my stomach turn to read the lies and hear him try and present China as a nation full of benevloence and traditional confucian values (Confucious only recenttly being rehabilitated by the regime in the service of their toxic nationalism).
This creature without a moral compass seems to believe that the faults and crimes of others justify China in some way.
He does a very bad job of defending the indefensible.
Regimes that forceably abort 8 month fetuses, torture clerics monks and nuns, ban bibles, fail to observe the agreements they sign, bully others, threaten nuclear war, nurse resetnmen, routinely distort history and routinely use thuggery and violence against people who have serious and legitimate grievances have no moral core nor respect of humanity.
The boy needs a real education and to develop a bit of genuine wisdom and compassion not the diabolical web of lies, underwritten by aggression and hatred that characterises the illegitimate PRC regime.
None of this means I view the liberal democracies as being free of serious failings – but only an idiot would infer a criticism of China implied that.