An influential Chinese Communist Party-run newspaper has warned that ‘every means possible’ should be used to stop India’s Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC) Videsh engaging in exploration projects in the South China Sea.
‘A Global Times editorial described the deal between ONGC and Vietnam as reflecting India’s rising ambitions, and a likely Indian move to “counter China’s behaviour in the Indian Ocean,”’ noted India’s The Hindu newspaper. ‘Chinese society has already been indignant about India's intervention in the Dalai (Lama) problem…India should bear in mind that its actions in the South China Sea will push China to the limit,’ it quoted the editorial as warning.
Exploration in the resource rich South China Sea is a complicated issue, not least because countries including Vietnam don’t recognize the sweeping claims that Beijing has made to the waters in the region. Indeed, the two countries looked at one point in the summer to be allowing tensions to spin out of control, with Vietnam claiming that China was deliberately trying to cut undersea cables deployed by a ship hired by PetroVietnam.
Hanoi called for foreign involvement to resolve the dispute. This idea, though, is resisted by China, and goes to the heart of the Global Times’ warning. China is keen to avoid other countries wading in on the territorial disputes, preferring to deal with disputants on bilateral terms, where it has significant leverage over its smaller neighbours in both economic and military terms. India’s plans for exploration projects with Vietnam will be seen by some in Beijing as Delhi meddling where it isn’t wanted.
‘We should not leave the world with the impression that China is only focused on economic development, nor should we pursue the reputation of being a “peaceful power,” which would cost us dearly,’ the editorial said. ‘China has been peaceful for so long that some countries doubt whether it will stick to its stated bottom line. China should remind them of how clear this line really is.’
Such rhetoric risks raising the stakes at a time when Sino-India ties are already strained. As Nitin Gokhale noted earlier this year in The Diplomat, while Indian policymakers have been publicly worrying over China’s so-called ‘String of Pearls’ strategy in the Indian Ocean, Indian military planners have been quietly boosting alliances in Asia.
‘Located on the edge of South-east Asia, Vietnam is ideally placed to help counter China's expansion into the South China Sea. With this in mind, and for the past decade, India has been providing Vietnam with assistance in beefing up its naval and air capabilities in an attempt to deny China supremacy in the South China Sea,’ Gokhale noted.
‘But India also has an eye on bolstering ties in East Asia – and not just with Japan. Last September, A.K. Antony, who is fast emerging as a quiet but effective player in India's military diplomacy, became the first-ever Indian defence minister to visit South Korea.’
This comes as India has been beefing up its Navy and Air Force to counter China’s rapid military rise in recent years.
‘India will need to meet (high) expectations if it is to face its biggest challenge – an increasingly assertive China, which India’s strategic planners believe will increasingly venture into India’s neighbourhood and the Indian Ocean, which has until now been regarded as India’s backyard,’ Gokhale noted this month.








Anthony1223
If india continue provoking China, history has told us sino-indian war is inevitable. US uses India and south east asian countries to test the will of China in defending integrity of it’s country. Without the backing of US,regional countries won’t have the gut to do this.( All these events occur recently after US pay attention to Asia at the end of Iraq war,).Sino-Soviet border war,Sino-indian border war,and Sino-vietnam border war were all because of territorial dispute. Sino-soviet border dispute can be settled peacefully why can’t the others. History tells us a pawn can be sacrificed if needed. It’s sad to say human beings are not accustomed to the absence of war.
Tom Tran
Theoretically, any dispute could be solved peacefully, including the one between Israel and Arab world. Realistically, would there be one without some sort of fighting to solve the ambiguity of the true intention behind any sort of power projection? Territorial dispute is a cause taken for granted, but the true intention behind. At this time, no one is willing to show its hand first, besides tough talk. To start a shooting war over a huge uncertainty over the oil reserve and political consequences, needless to say economic destruction, it is a suicidal act for any country, China or India or any party involved.
Frank
Most likely, China and Vietnam can work out their differences.
I do not see any chance with India. Indians never compromise. There is no way to negotiate with India.
CoolGuy
@Frank, I’m your neighbor. I cut your fence and take-over about 30% of your backyard. So now do you compromise and let go your backyard?? This will answer all your questions.
typhoon
The truth is that,once upon a time, your house and backyard was occumpied by robbers who erected and extend the fence perimeter into your neigbour property
while they were weak and pre-occupied with internal problems.
Now, your neighbour is strong and rich and realised it is time to relcaim what it belongs to them.
Girish
Most likely, this move is only to create conditions to negotiate that China better get out of POK [Pakistan occupied Kashmir] and India can avoid getting into such deal in China sea.
yang zi
India has all the freedom to cozy up with Vietnam, as long as it doesn’t violate Chinese boundary. otherwise, China will sink any Indian ships that violate Chinese sovereignty.
Chinese activity in POK is legal and lawful. If China goes into India side of K, India will have full right to protest, not before that.
busyjatt
give our land back what you took in 1962 taking advantage of a peaceful country .china did not need to attack on india back then, and leave p.o.k because this is not 1962 anymore if war happened not only india but china also will not rise again for at least next 50 years.
Frank
See what I mean by Indians are not reasonable?
If the backyard is yours, then there should be no border issues anymore. Right?
Whoese back yard it belongs is the main issue here.
China and Russia can work out their differences.
China and Vietnam worked out their differences on land borders.
China and Burma had similar border issues as China and India, however, Burma and China can work out their differences.
India only had a few neighbors. None of them worked out their differences with India.
venkatesh rao
MR. Frank
You came to a conclusion,there is no way to deal with india that to mainly on border disputes any claimed China has peacefully resolved the dispute with other neighbours whereas india has not.
Apparently india has worked out the same with Bangladesh, Nepal and Burma,but not with Pakistan and China.You see we require both the hands to clap,so —–.
ozivan
@Frank. Not true of what you said of the Indians. Indecisiveness on their part is not unwillingness to negotiate or compromise with China.
But India is very clear and decisive about Pakistan.
Let’s keep the peace with India.
Arya
If China wants, lets clash and see what 25 million old Aryan(India-Hindu name given by mughal accessors)race have against chienese civilization.
If this is destiny then let the world see one more race bury into the ground as what happened with Alexender,Kushans, Huns,Nughal in the past.
We are proud and know to defend our honor,Dont need suppot from Uncle Sam
Preet
Well ARYA i am agree with you and let see the world one more time.
Leave all those bungy jumping and dive in to and find the reality based on the history and fact
henok
First they made me nervous for my country’s safety but now I’m beginning to get nervous for the Chinese. They tend to bite more than they can chew in most cases. I think they over estimate them self and the extent of their new found power. It’s like they just won the lottery and they don’t know what to do with the money.
I just hope for their sake they don’t miscalculate this diplomatic calculus and get bombarded back to the economic drawing board. And I will bet that next time there won’t be an easy way to the top In which case we will have two up with two North Koreas with 10 times the Nukes.
Philip
The one common theme in almost all coverage of developments within Asia center around China being perceived as a threat. A cooperative approach within the region would prove to be far more rewarding for Asian neighbors. Of course, this is based on the assumption that there is no foreign [western] intervention. Oh wait, there is.
Siddharth
Well I don’t blame the countries who see China in a negative light. They have become highly assertive due to the rapid increase in their power. China frequently violates Indian border in its North eastern region. While trying to avoid foreign intervention in the South China sea it itself intervenes in the Kashmir issue. When you want to build peace you need both countries.
Peace123
We can go back and forth between china sticking their nose in the Kashimir issue and India hosting the Dalai lama. Each country is poking at the other’s back. The issue with China crosses into India’s border area is a different matter. How can one crosses into your territory when there’s no define border. The border is not set which means there’s a dispute. India can say that China went into it’s territory and vice versa.
Vikky
India is a peaceful country. It should not get involved in South China Sea and irritate China (which is its neighbour). We should focus on our own development and should not get involved in disputes of others. We should try to keep good relations with our neighbours. I do not know how somebody as sensible, wise and fore-sighted as Dr. Manmohan Singh can think of getting involved in such diputes.
Thanks,
Vikky
Gurgaon (India)
Siddharth
Then why we Indians hold the views of India being a superpower? We can’t follow the Gandhian principles always especially when it involves our security matters. China is rapidly expanding its influence in the Indian ocean and if we just sit back and not do anything, well it’ll be a repeat of the humiliation India suffered the Indo-China war in 1960’s. You have to assert some power and India’s doing right by building ties with Vietnam. The islands China keeps talking about being theirs are over 700 km away from Chinese mainland. How fair is it to India?
Varun
How far is SCS from India?
1962 war happened because India overestimated itself, its doing the same now,
first get ones own house in order and develop, then get into these altercations,
India can’t compete with China militarily atm, believing so is delusional.
Arya
Just one Sentence
Indian Congress Government was weak and will be weak throughout its future, if you want Dare to challenge Indian Forces, we have pride in them and they have for there country.
Temujiin
“China has been peaceful for so long”? Let us look into the past 10 years:
2001 – The reckless collision of a Chinese fighter with a U.S. EP-3 plane in 2001, which led to the death of the Chinese pilot and the EP-3’s emergency landing on Hainan Island.
2009 – Chinese naval and maritime security vessels harassed unarmed U.S. surveillance ships in international waters in the Yellow Sea and South China Sea.
2010 – Conflict with Japan and cut rare earth metal deliveries
2011 – Chinese frigate fired warning shots at Filipino fishing boats near the Jackson Atoll off the Philippines’ Palawan Island just off the disputed Spratly islands.
2011 – China unilaterally announced a fishing ban, to last until August, in the northern part of the South China Sea.
2011 – Two allegedly Chinese, though unidentified, fighter jets were spotted near Palawan Island in May.
2011 – Three Chinese Ocean Marine Surveillance ships harassed a PetroVietnam vessel, cutting its towed survey cable, within Vietnam’s Exclusive Economic Zone in May. Less than three weeks later, a Chinese fishing boat rammed another PetroVietnam ship, also within Vietnam’s EEZ.
The bottom line is China serious threat to the region and already major threat to the world. If china continue to behave this way than Japan, South Korean, Indonesia and Vietnam must develop Tactical Nuclear Weapons to neutralize the threat from china for the sake of world peace. Those idiots in Beijing must understand the law of nature “cause and effect”
Frank
Compare with India’s fighting almost every day against Kashimir, China is very peaceful.
Temujiin
I was being sarcastic. Everything that was listed came from Western News Source.
yang zi
Hindu of Indian and Global Times of China are both shooting blanks. The story about India’s oil exploration with Vietnam is misleading. Indian’s oil concern is outside of Chinese lawful 9 dotted line. and these blocks are from the sale of BP property.
Chinese foreign spokesman is just stating a general principle, not indicating India’s oil blocks are violating Chinese rights. Yet India press had a field day, thinking they are standing up to China, which is good, but not really the case.
China’s so called pearls are based on commercial interests, they are sustainable activities, but India seems to counter it too eagerly without too much commercial benefits (this case is an exception). it is foolish and not beneficial to India, which is a poor country with GDP per capita 1/3 of Angola’s.
The Global Times article is a bit too much.
a_canadian_observer
@Yangzi: You’re a smart guy, can you enlighten us what you mean by ” Chinese lawful 9 dotted line” based on facts and international laws?
yang zi
Yes, China’s 9 dotted line is lawful. it was declared to the world in 1947, decades before Vietnam and Philippines declared theirs greedily, and long before the UNCLOS, which has no legal standing in this case. China has historic records, remember? you don’t like them but I do.
The best case for Vietnam is to recognize this, negotiate joint development with China and have a bigger EEZ into 9 dotted line, believe me, China will give these benefits to Vietnam.
Long
First of all, you said “believe me”. Based on the action of China, no one in this world would take this phrase “believe me” from a Chinese.
Second, you said if Vietnam accepts the 9-dotted line claimed by China, China will give Vietnam more. What a second! The east sea belongs to Vietnam, not China. Who are you to say that you will give Vietnam this much, and the Phillipines this much.
a_canadian_observer
@yangzi: I doubt if the Vietnamese people are interested in such “hand-out”. I believe they wouldn’t mind bringing the case to the UN, which china is making every attempt to avoid. Hmmm… wonder why????
Suresh
Yang zi, Chinese GDP per captia is 1/3 of Barbados. Barbados is a Small country but it is richer than your great super china.
China should remember that they are still a Poor country and have lower living standards than many small countries. China should not think that it can challenge whole Asia. There are many rich countries and powerful militaries which can counter China.
Don’t push the peaceful countries, you don’t want USA or Japan to bring their Navy near South China Sea.
yang zi
totally agree, China is a poor country and has no business to be a hegemony. on Japan and US navy, it is true for US navy, not Japanese though. it is a draw between China and Japanese Navy imo.
DownRedChina
China is scared now. Recently it aggressively bullied Japanese, Phillipine and Vietnam in their EEZ. US partner with Japan and India and the whole ASEAN to counter China’s aggression. It’s very interesting to see China’s next moves.
hk
There are paid 50 cents/comment Proxies of Communist Party of China !!!
Arya
HAHA. This 1/3 of GDP of China is 3rd largest in the world, overall we have more billionares then you, also more poors.But basic fact remains Indian people are happy , we can stand against Indian Government if our Rights are breached what about you people.Do you have rights?
ozivan
@Anthony 1223 & Vikky. Well said, and good on you for treating this issue with calmness and coolly.
If what Yang Zi says is true, that India’s oil companies are only taking over BP’s blocks outside the 9 dotted line claimed by China, then it is much said about nothing.
What’s wrong then with India exploring oil with Vietnam ? It should not be twisted to show that India is conniving.
Perhaps, the Chinese foreign spokesman, on the side of caution, just wish to remind ahead the Indian/Vietnamese that during their joint exploration, they should exercise care that they do not intrude into waters claimed by China.
I have faith that India & China will clarify between themselves behind the scenes by quiet diplomacy. Some Western media would sensationalise it as a soon to come ” Great Game ” being staged by India. Read Diplomat’s article : India Beefs Up For Great Game
After being elected as President of Phillippines not long ago, President Benigno Aquino was similarly enticed and ill advised to make loud noises over the South China Seas with China. After his first official visit to China in August 2011 at the invitation of Hu Jin Tao, they farewelled amicably with both sides fully aware now that detractors are formenting trouble between them.
ozivan
I urge Indian & Chinese bloggers to treat articles and comments on India/China calmly and coolly. We must avoid being played one against another.
Bloggers like Temujin and others will come onboard to stir, given half a chance.
Now that the South China Seas issues between Vietnam, Philippines & China, (recently hived up by detractors) , have simmered down and sobered, they are now putting India on a collision course with China on the internet.
Lately, you would notice consecutively such articles in Diplomat like : India, China Navies Face Off / India Beefs Up For Great Game / India’s South China Sea Warning.
@Philip. Thanks for your careful approach too.
India & China have every right to modernise their military, explore any resources in the world, bring development to their border territories, even strengthen their border security (Note : Even the US built miles of walls, barb-wire fencing and posted security guards and guard dogs at their borders with Mexico), and aspire to be one of the world’s largest economy…
….wihout being accused of or read as ” THREATS ” to any one.
Let’s request for articles highlighting the beneficial progress achieved in those areas between India/China.
Bharath
If China is so concerned about its so called “Peace” and “Sovereignty” measures, why is it building infrastructure projects in the POK. Isn’t that provoking India and stepping into India’s sovereignty
Peace123
same can be said about India hosting the exile Tibetan group.
Bharath
You must be Kidding. Are you trying to compare China’s outrageous activities inside geographical boundaries of a disputed land to India’s food and shelter program for the Refugees of Chinese dissidents. Are you asking the Indians to exterminate those Refugees just like what the Chinese would do?
And just to provide you some insight on India’s stand since 1954, India has always stated that it recognizes Tibet as an autonomous part of Tibet. In spite of drawing flak from the Refugee Tibetans and the pro-Tibet Indian public, the Govt of India has time and again made clear of its stand. And all this just to seek peaceful relations with China. No country wants to have refugee situation to deal with among all other things.
peace123
do not think what India does is righteous. It maybe one thing to one country, but totally different from another country’s perspective.
ozivan
@Peace 123. Except for this line : Are you asking the Indians to exterminate those Refugees just like what the Chinese would do?
All other things said by @Bharath in his comments on September 20, 2011 at 3:01 am
are right and correct.
1..2..3treee.. Let’s keep the peace. Shall we ?
Sushil
It was all started by china, there interference in Pakistan Occupied kashmir and building construction work there and sending there company’s despite the objection and protest of India that POK is a disputed territory. And yeah not to forget the string of pearls, unnecessary needling and all these provocative steps by China have made India to think about counter measures..
There is no rocket science in this, it is as simple as that,
“If you don’t respect our concerns then don’t expect us to respect yours either”
China started this unnecessary provocation, we are just paying you back! Simple!
Dilip Kumar
If it is true that India is provoking China by interfering in that China Sea, then what China is doing in the North-West Indian territory.
China should also avoid to work with Pakistan in Kashmir
Peace123
India should stop hosting the exile Tibetan. Think about the other country’s perspective, not only how your country look at an issue.
Frank
China CAN stop you working in South China Sea. There is not much you can do about it.
Can you stop China working inside Pakistan?
Surya
Let the day come when China try to stop india in South china sea by use of force, It will be start of Indo-china war and after that not much will be left about India china growth story.
nirvana
@Yang zi,
I also agree that there are some over-reactions. But is it not the bas sign that the Chinese public has been conditioned to this, on the South China Sea issue?
I wonder why you picked Angola as a reference, but here are the GDP per Capita (PPP), for Years 2000 and 2010 respectively of 4 countries: India, China, Angola and Taiwan.
(2000) (2010)
India 2200 3500
China 3600 7600
Angola 1000 8200
Taiwan 17400 35700
(www.indexmundi.com)
India got its independence in 1947 and Angola got is independence from Portugal only in 1975 (and was immediately dragged into Cold War and Civil War).
Firstly, I think it would be simplistic, from these numbers, to conclude that India would not confront China in an all-out war, or it would lose such a war, simply because its GDP per Capita is 10 years behind that of China (take the Korean war as a counter-example).
Secondly, I think we should relativize the economic success of China as well as of Angola in view of these numbers.
Thirdly, in terms of welfare, we have to take into account other factors, such as the equality of income distribution.
yang zi
@nirvana, you have good points, but my point is different. my point is, China is thinking of been hegemonic, against India or not. It has too much work to do to be better than Angola.
India is even more so, it shouldn’t think of playing power games, let alone challenge China on every turn.
yang zi
obvious I meant China is NOT thinking of being hegemonic
Viander
Here is what India and China should do.
1, Resolve boundary issue, give and take. China keeps Askai Chin, gives southern face of Kailash and Mansorovar, and Demchok. China takes Tawang and Ind keeps rest of Arunachal and gets Tsangpo basin as exchange for Tawang. China gives up north Bhutan claims.
2, China gets out of Nepal. Let Nepal be a buffer state.
3, China can get economic access to India’s north east via Lhasa.And ultimately solidify Tibets economy and Han chinese soverginety over Tibet.
Very simple, after this India and China need not fight. Imagine Russia, China,India block. Rus and Chin are great powers do not need India but China does not need India as an enemy either.
This would leave us with the tricky issue of POK, for an other day. Atleast Ind and China will not be enemies then. Just conflict of interest economically, ind wants south china oil, china wants iran oil via POK.
With some
PeaceMessi
Vietnam and India have a joint project to explore oil and gas at blocks 127 and 128 which are located well within Vietnam’s EEZ (less than 200 nautical miles off Vietnam’s coast, but about 500 miles off China’s southernmost point from Hainan Island). Concerning the China’s 9-dotted line, if you have ever looked at it you would say that it is so ridiculous! It just shows how greedy and arrogant China is. People should not forget that China forcibly gained control of the Paracels after a battle with South Vietnamese troops in 1974. The majority of the Spratlys has been under factual control of Vietnam. Some islets in the Spratlys which are now under China’s control were taken away from Vietnam and the Philippines also by China’s navy in 1988 and later on.
In June and May this year, China’s vessels cut cables of Vietnam’s exploration ships also well within Vietnam’s EEZ. For the map of these incidents, pls visit http://unclos1982.com/2011/06/21/how-china-can-avoid-next-conflict-minxin-pei/
nirvana
(“9 dotted line”)
Agreed!
But, not only it is ridiculous by the area of the sea it covers, it is ridiculous by the absence of scientific and historical grounds for its drawing to begin with. But it is not only ridiculous, it is dangerous for peace and stability. It is the single claim that makes this dispute de-facto an international issue, not only an issue between the coastal states of the South China Sea, but an issue for all the users that sea too. And China knows perfectly this implication. It is China playing with fire. This is “international law with Chinese characteristics”.
yang zi
China’s dotted lines are beautiful and lawful. there were there since 1947. China is too nice to Vietnam to allow its continued illegal occupation. the cutting of cables was too weak, it should just sink Vietnamese boats.
China is not a super power, but it should defend its claim forcefully. otherwise there is no point to rise, peacefully or not.
Temujiin
Yangzi is correct in his statement. No countries brought up any issues until oil was discovered a few decades later. Of all countries in the dispute, Vietnam should have the least rights as they sold their soul to China. read this document written by a Vietnamese person.
http://paracelspratlyislands.blogspot.com/2008/01/history-of-sovereignty-dispute-between.html
long
you wrote that the China’s claims are lawful. Well, prove to us that your claims are lawful. According to the 1982 UNCLOS, China in no way can claim 80% or more of the east sea. Now, if you use historial facts (which you made up), it does not work. You said Vietnam illegally occupied the islands. Show to us, when did the Vietnamese forcefully and illegally invade those islands.
On the other hand, the whold world knows that on Jan 19th 1974 and March 14 1988, Chinese’s nany forcefully and brutally invaded Paracel and Spratly islands which were under Vietnamese control.
If you spend time studying UNCLOS, forcefully take over a territory does not grant the aggressor the ownership. Vietnamese people never forcefully occupied any island or sea of any countries.
Joseph
China should learn to respect international laws. I wonder what would happen to this world if every other country start irrational greedy claims of their own beautiful and lawful dotted/undotted/watever lines
fyi China has acceded to UNCLOS.
“In accordance with the decision of the Standing Committee of the Eighth National People’s Congress of the People’s Republic of China at its nineteenth session, the President of the People’s Republic of China has hereby ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982″
http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/convention_declarations.htm
yang zi
China fully respect international law. the UNCLOS clearly says it respects historic rights, which China has in South China Sea islands.
yang zi
I forgot to mention, Vietnam should respect international Law, if you look at its EEZ line, it clearly not fair to Cambodia.
a_canadian_observer
@yangzi: “I forgot to mention, Vietnam should respect international Law, if you look at its EEZ line, it clearly not fair to Cambodia.”
I believe Vietnam and Philipines respect international laws. That’s why they wanted to bring the case to the UN. What is china’s position?
Re. Cambodia, can you educate us what claims Cambodia is making against VN at the moment?
nirvana
@Yang zi,
In your defense of the “9-dotted line”, your only argument is that it was published in 1947. Is that all Yang zi? Then, let ask the KMT in Taiwan to reclaim lawfully the historic borders it lost to Mao Zedong. Beautiful reunification indeed, don’t you think?
And why stop at 1947?
Hong Nguyen
Zang xi. You should take a look seriously and scientifically, don’t let your patriotism blinds your mind, “ china’s dotted lines are beautiful and lawful” is extremely ridiculous.
Vietnam may be very nice and it should be little brother of China if China was not so greedy, we were good brothers and Comrades, aren’t we? Recently China uses it power to bully us that costs it heavily, Vietnam will come to America and others powers as India and Russia, China’s competitors, China will lose oil & Gas contracts, it should enjoy with Vietnam together.
Don’t forget Vietnam is small and weak but always determined in war and get victory with any costs. It has a important geographic location in area if war happened Vietnam submarine would threaten all China ships go through South china sea and damage China economy, some china enemies may use that chance to push China society into chaos and get interests so let’s float to peace, China and Vietnam were all suffered by the western in past, let’s give up your greediness and come together again.
DownRedChina
@yang zi said
“China is too nice to Vietnam to allow its continued illegal occupation. the cutting of cables was too weak, it should just sink Vietnamese boats.”
You admitted of cutting Vietnamese’s cables. Your Chinese media (controlled by communist government) said Vietnamese boat chased you guys.
Do you see your logic here?
Long
Wecome India to South East Asia. You are welcome to join us here. Big applause to Indian company who has the guts to continue their project (unlike BP, Exxon-Mobile who cowardly back up as Chinese threatened them).
Observer
Bully china’s claim of almost the whole sea is beyond ridiculous, it is pathetic and laughable. Just like a 2 years old child that claims the whole playground is his.
Even the US, the strongest nation on Earth would not do such a stupid thing, claim the whole sea. If everyone is behaving like china, then Italy can claim the Mediterranean sea, India can claim the India ocean, Iran can claim the Persian gulf, Sweden can claim the Baltic sea, and so on. Do you see how ridiculous and maddening it is?
Can any of the chinese commenters tell us one country, just one, is behaving like china? Of course not, because other countries are not as pathetic and greedy as china.
nirvana
Worse than pathetic and laughable, it is destabilizing, it is game-changing.
A line which is not even continuous, with 9 dots changed unilaterally from 11, also called the “U-shape line” and various other exotic names, a line that only China has the undisclosed formula how to draw, Ladies and Gentlemen, the PRC hereby declares that this line constitutes, UNOFFICIALLY, its southern border. Indonesia beware, you have a new neighbor, UNOFFICIALLY.
I repeat UNOFFICIALLY, because Chinese government can not explain what kind of jurisdiction is applied within this line, but it lets ordinary Chinese to believe it is a border.
Samurai_aka_Keisuki Nomura
China is getting more aggressive daily and is not willing to respect its neighbouring countries rights and freedom and is playing like a dictator that owns the power of all asia.
China is not ready to accept the international sea rights or freedom and is challenging every country their navigational freedom that is passing through South China Sea to reach far east places.
China has 1 or more dispute with every country in South east asia.
I studied about India and China and found alarming facts that,
India is being surrounded by china in every corner. Chinese has already started big projects, infra in Myanmar, Nepal, Srilanka and Pakistan. Particularly Srilanka has changed to a complete chinese state with PLA engineers building radars, ports, hospitals, roads etc.
Chinese are aggressively building vast roads, rail, airbases close to Tibet border with India. PLA engineers are also doing hard work in Pak Occupied Kashmir (PoK). Chinese is giving arms, huge nuke cooperation to Pak in view of India.
“—>A thing to note: China recently started some exploration in Indian ocean”
India should choose a better asia centric policy with other east countries in view of India. Other east countries should assist India to control china.
—->The comedy lies in fact that “”"if India tells china and whole world that Indian ocean, Bay of Bengal and half of Arabian Sea is the sole property of India and noone will be allowed to enter these waters, then what china and rest of world countries will do?????.
If every country in world start to claim like china, how will china themselves travel to other places?.
China is exactly doing the same now with South China Sea. If a sea gets name regarding the country close to it, how can the country say whole sea is theirs??.
China should respect international sea lane and everyone’s right to travel and navigation.
nemesis
Konnichiwa Samuri!
let me have u know. i am indian not a han. japan had their time in 1940 but US bombed u back to stone age that time. now u are another puerto rico of US and u cant take US marine out of okinawa. US provides u gasoline from saudiarbia but the future is shanghai. guys if anyone has problem with beijing then go n be one on one with china. dont play net doodles here.
Frank
China can ensure the safety of passage of South China Sea for all people including Indians.
Indians cannot ensure the safety of passage of India Ocean for any people including Indians.
That is the difference.
Peter
@ Frank: That is your arrogance speaking. Just because you have military muscle does not give you the right to claim all territory to yourself.
And, about your claim that you can assure safety of all in SCS, and India can’t in Indian Ocean is laughable. First of all, Indians are not claiming Indian ocean with some imaginary 9 dotted line that they themselves decalred in 1947 and expect others to accept it. Second, Indian ocean and SCS are no comparison.
Third, agree you are strong militarily, but a missile when it strikes will sink any ship, be it Indian or Chinese and it makes no difference whether the person it kills is Indian or Chinese or Vietnamese. And, lastly you might have absoulte military superiority, but a 10 or 20 nukes will destroy all of the nations involved.
It is time to realize that this is a news which has been blown out of proportion. India is not a party to dispute, nor is it interested in violating chinese or vietnamese territory. Your issue is with Vietnam and you need to take it up diplomatically. Indian company is just exploring resources well within Vietnamese territory as recognized by UN principles as laid in UNCLOS.
And, why are you guys making such a hue and cry? You are needling India at every point possible. You might have your justification, you have deployed military personnel in POK, which is disputed territory; you are surrounding India with military base in Gwadar in Pakistan; you are needling us with observation posts in coco islands off Burma and you spare no opportunity to get bases in Srilanka and gang up with Maoists in Nepal and also in Bangladesh. When you think that is justified for whatever reasons you might say, you should also accept the fact that countries will respond when pushed to the brink. You might be a super power in the making, but no country however small or weak will sit and wait for them to be bullied.
It’s time for you to realize that every action will have a reaction, and it is in the best interests of all of us not to get carried away by blown out of poroportion news. I am sure India, China and Vietnam at government levels are talking and handling these issues more maturedly than these jingoistic posts by people.
Frank
“countries will respond when pushed to the brink”
When Indians invaded South China Sea thousands miles away from India, it is China that is pushed to the brink.
ozivan
@Samurai_aka_Keisuki Nomura. You said : China is not ready to accept the international sea rights or freedom and is challenging every country their navigational freedom that is passing through South China Sea to reach far east places.
Please get some of your facts right. The South China Sea disputes are over territories and natural resources, not over international sea passage rights and freedom of navigation. China is just as keen as any other nation in wanting to ensure safe passage and free navigation in the SCS for shipping vessels of any country.
You also said : China has 1 or more dispute with every country in South east asia.
Disagreements are common among nations.
Japan has disagreements with South Korea over the Dokdo/Takeshima islands and comfort women, with North & South Korea over Japan’s leaders visit to Yasukuni war shrine, with Russia over the Kurile islands, with China & Taiwan over the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands, with US over Okinawa air base.
China will go to any part or ends of the world, (as in your words) to build roads, ports, radars, hospitals, even supply weapons, etc if there’s money to be made. China look at them from economics, not for military control.
ldr
i think what you have suggested is very correct,the common people in both our countries are still poor and both our people have slogged really hard to reach where we are today.both our countries are very old civilizations and we should resolve all disputes peacefully,for if there is war it would lead to grave damage on both sides which other countries in the world would really enjoy as what bettar if two strong economies fight one another and become weak.
EAM
Why can’t the countries in dispute just go to the International Court of Justice and get a ruling? When you look at the various claims, it looks like a complete mess and this seems to be the only simple and fair way to do it.
If I understand the basis of the some of the claims (China and Vietnam especially), it appears to be based on historical and archaeological evidence. This is weak an international law. It is not as far as I am aware a legal basis for any claim (if it were Italy could presumably claim the whole Mediterranean on the basis of the Roman Empire). The principles as I understand them (and accepted by all countries) are based on the following rules:
1. everyone has territorial waters 12 nautical miles out.
2. everyone has an EEZ going out 200 nautical miles
3. Where EEZ’s overlap, I assume some kind of accommodation needs to be reached.
4. Island cannot be used as a baseline unless supporting human habitation.
The Chinese claim seems to almost reach Indonesia and on the principles of law that apply, appears unlikely. The Vietnamese claim also seems quite far reaching.
The Court, if it decides the matter, may produce a result that no one likes and everyone must compromise – but that is nature of justice. The alternatives are messy to say the least.
a_canadian_observer
@EAM: Agreed! Countries having disputes should go to the international court and resolve them, with facts and evidence that can be verified by independent observers. I bet you china won’t sign up to that because it has nothing substantial, just some faked/fabricated historical items.
John
Because the Chinese do not believe in the Global laws, they believe in the law of this:
“We should not leave the world with the impression that China is only focused on economic development, nor should we pursue the reputation of being a “peaceful power,” which would cost us dearly,’ the editorial said. ‘China has been peaceful for so long that some countries doubt whether it will stick to its stated bottom line. China should remind them of how clear this line really is.’”
Now what is Chinese stated bottom line? Domination?
Frank
Do not worry about China and Vietnam.
Most likely, China and Vietnam can work out their differences.
I do not see any chance that China can work out anything with India. Indians never compromise. There is no way to negotiate with India.
SINGH
WHY WE INDIANS NEGOTIATE WITH CHINA. WE CAN DEFEND OUR INTERGRITY AND OUR BORDERS. THIS IS NOT 1962 ANYMORE. CHINA SHOULD VERY WELL KNOW THIS FACT. CHINESE THINK THEY CAN GO ANYWHERE, PUT PROJECTS ANYWHERE ON THIS PLANET AND NOBODY CAN STOP THEM. WELL, INDIA IS DOING WHAT CHINESE ARE DOING IN PAK AND SRI-LANKA
ozivan
@Singh. Well said. There’s no real quarrel between China & India. Some reckless articles are just trying to forment misunderstanding among Indian and Chinese readers.
We must avoid being played by one against the other.
For example, in Diplomat’s article “India, China’s Navies Face Off” on September 1, 2011 the author wrote that China’s navy confronted Indian naval vessel INS Airavat to stay out of the South China Seas. Subsequently,on Sept 20, 2011 another Diplomat’s article ” India Look East “, the author claimed that the Chinese naval warning to India may not have taken place.
Arun judin emm
Yes it is correct we r not in 1962 any more and i think many countries are waiting to see china’s defeat and if a war breaks out between India and China i hope that u.s would support India and i am also sure that Russia won’t wage war against India.hence china will be weak and i think China too know this fact and it won’t easily wage a war with India and more over India is not an ordinary country it is one of the most powerful country in the world.
(EA-Rockzz)
ozivan
@Frank. Not true of what you said of the Indians. Indecisiveness on their part is not unwillingness to negotiate or compromise with China.
But India is very clear and decisive about Pakistan.
Let’s keep the peace with India. We can work it out ! (as in the song by The Beatles)
Observer
@ yang zi said “China is too nice to Vietnam to allow its continued illegal occupation. the cutting of cables was too weak, it should just sink Vietnamese boats.”
Too nice? Was that china attacked and murdered Vietnamese sailors in 1974 at Paracel Islands to begin its illegal occupation? Was that china attacked and murdered Vietnamese sailors in 1988 at Spartly Islands? Was that china captured, beat up, stole fish caches, and demanded ransom money from poor and unarmed Vietnamese fishermen countless times? Yes, that was the one and only china, behaving just like Somalia pirates. Don’t forget about for several thousands years, china tried and tried countless times to swallow little Vietnam but failed and failed, how pathetic.
Sink Vietnamese boats? Did you know that the boats that china cut the survey cables were from Russia and the captains and the crews on those ships were Russians? Of course you did not know that because you are chinese. If you were allowed to learn, you would not make sure an ignorant and uneducated statement. And we all know how scared china is of Russia because they are too coward to get back the land north of the Amur river. Bully china would not dare to take on Russia.
Was that you that say in another article that you would enjoy a good debate? Yes, you did and I replied that you never debated but suffered verbal beating from other readers and you are suffering one right now.
Please keep on going and show us the world wide readers about the true color of china and chinese.
Hiep nguyen
This is what i have just posted as a comment in WSJ on the background of the 9-dotted line:
The Nam Con Son basin is just a few kilometres off from the Vietnamese Con Son islands (used during the French colonial period and during the Vietnam war as a prison where the infamous “tiger cage” was known). The Phu Khanh basin is just north of the Nam Con Son basin. Both are WELL within the Excliusive Economic Zone (EEZ) of Vietnam. So India and Vietnam are correct in saying that the exploration blocks in the basins are in Vietnam EZZ (not far from these blocks are the oil fields that have been explored in 1972 and in operation since 1978).
China claim is nonsense (based on the ill-defined 9 dotted line drawn on the paper without defining it properly). It was defined on the obscure map by the Nationalist of Chiang Kai Chek in the 1930s (it has then 11-dotted line). This map was dusted off (shortened to 9-dotted line) and was then sent in hurry to the UN after China was surprised by the joint submission between Malaysia and Vietnam on the detailed delineation of the EEZ between the two countries in 2009, according to the deadline as stipulated. The thick document of the joint Malaysia-Vietnam submission with detailed coordinates down to GPS accuracy of a few metres of the EEZ lines, was submitted to the UN Law of the Sea just a few weeks before the deadline in 6 May 2009 after many years of working together to satisfy the UN Law of the Sea timetable of continental shelf submission.
China did nothing for many years since the UN Law of the Sea specified the deadline for the continental shelf delineation and was totally surprised by the joint submission with its expert scientific GIS accuracy. In reaction to this, China hurried up the obscure 9-dotted line map and sent with it a protest note to the UN. It is too late for China to properly put a claim and its 9-dotted line is completely has no legal basis (any schoollboy with a map and a pen can draw that 9-dotted line). The year 2009 is the year that China officially published and submitted to the world body and UNLOS its claim of the sea based on an ambigous 9-dotted line (no coordinates of the lines).
Its so-called “undisputable” 9-dotted claim is not only nonsense but also has no legal basis.
VNmese_Friends
There are millions on Vietnamese are currently living oversea and still are being connected to VN. Unlike the Chinese’s attacked during 1974, 1974 and 1988, this time, China will have to pay a very heavy price; if it misbehaves again.
Hearing from various Vietnamese friends and sources that, once VN got attacked by China, people will be willing to sacrify themselves either outside or inside China’s offices around the World.
vishal
China like to lie big and threaten
No one in Asia likes China except Pakistan and N.Korea…Wow
vishal
China gave Pakistan nuclear weapons and ready missiles, that is provocation enough.
They cannot give us any sermons.
By the way India will outlast the communist China.
In fact East turkmensitan and Tibet will be first to be free when communism crumbles there.
These two old civilisations have never had any borders till china captured Tibet.
Vineet
A welcome move from India !!. China has always defied India’s concerns. Now its India’s turn and as far as clash is concerned, we should not assess India’s might on the basis of 1962 war. China should come out of the fantasy that it can confront India the way it did in the past.
Todays India is young, dynamic and vibrant and China should not even dare to think of a clash else many of their next generations will pay the price for the mistake. If China wants India not to poke in their internal affairs, India also expects China to get the hell out of POK and stop troubles in the north-east.
China’s ageing population and communist regime will not be able to withstand the confident, democratic younh India.
Mike Lee
Geographically India is nowhere near Sth China Seas. China’s coastline borders Sth China seas that’s why it is called Sth China Seas.India is poking its nose in the area/issue due to instigation by USA.(that’s how USA work.USA the instigator. Get someone else to do the work.)India is pretending to be or wants to be a regional power / super power. Visions of grandeur. With so much problems at home one wonders why India is doing this other than poking its nose into the issue (when India is thousands of nautical miles way from Sth China Seas).
henok
I’m beginning to get nervous for the Chinese. They tend to bite more than they can chew in most cases. I think they over estimate them self and the extent of their new found power. It’s like they just won the lottery and they don’t know what to do with the money.
I just hope for their sake they don’t miscalculate this diplomatic calculus and get bombarded back to the economic drawing board. And I will bet that next time there won’t be an easy way to the top In which case we will have two up with two North Koreas with 10 times the Nukes.
tigerheart
Silly India Silly China..USA vs Japan (imperialism) 1940’s…USA VS Korea (Communism) 1950’s…USA VS Vietnam (Communism) 1960’s -1970’s..USA VS IRAQ (WOMD) 1990’s…21st century USA VS IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN..(RADICALS). History of Asian bloodshed…every 10 or 15 years..from far east to middle east. Who is next?? India VS China or China VS India?? Asian bloodshed is like Olypic games for some..yes??
Arun Judin ema
Wel i think india should find some ways to invent powerful missiles and develope its military,navy,air force and has to make it far more superior to china or atlest equal to china and then can easily defeat china this can be done by abolishing corrouption in India and there by can increase the military budget
citizens of our country must encourage this and must support our military at all cost
JAI HIND
(EA-Rockzz)