Old hatreds die hard, and nowhere has this been more evident than at the trial of surviving Khmer Rouge leaders in Phnom Penh. It has been an historic week, with former ideologue Nuon Chea taking the stand while Former Foreign Minister Ieng Sary and one-time head of state Khieu Samphan watched on.
Nuon Chea attempted to portray himself as a noble Khmer. As a young man, he said he had developed a “passion for justice” after witnessing the harsh handling of Cambodian peasants by the Colonial French and rich landowners who “treated them as slaves,”
His resentment of the rich and French was surpassed only by the Vietnamese, who he insisted wanted only to swallow Cambodia like a python devouring a deer.
This was an important political precursor to the rise of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge who ruled Cambodia from April 1975 to January 1979.
Nuon Chea insists that he and his fellow members of the Standing Committee, which wrote and deployed government policy, weren’t bad people, and that the extraordinary carnage committed at the time of their reign was orchestrated by Hanoi.
“I don’t want the next generations to misunderstand history...I don’t want them to misunderstand that the Khmer Rouge are bad people, are criminals, nothing is true about that...It was Vietnam who killed Cambodians,” the 85 year-old told the court in Case 002.
Between 1.7 million and 2.2 million people – a quarter of Cambodia’s population at the time – died under the ultra-Maoists. About 800,000 suffered violent deaths, while the others perished amid slave labor conditions from exhaustion, starvation and associated diseases.
Few would disagree with Nuon Chea’s initial statements on the Indochinese Communist Party (ICP), which was established in 1930 by the Vietnamese seeking to forge an independent union out of Indochina and the five French colonies, Tonkin, Annam, Cochin China, Cambodia and Laos.
Nuon Chea was raised in Battambang, northwest of Phnom Penh, which was annexed by Thailand along with much of Western Cambodia after Bangkok sided and struck a deal with Japan in World War II that allowed Tokyo’s troops to march across the country, through Malaya and down to Singapore.
As such, Nuon Chea studied in Thailand where his well-entrenched views of ethnic Vietnamese were honed, and he came to view the ICP as a Trojan horse for Ho Chi Minh and his communists to establish their authority over Cambodia.
This led to the formation of the Cambodian-controlled Communist Party of Kampuchea in the 1960s, which would assume power a decade later. They emptied the cities, obliterated Khmer culture and carried out great purges with Nuon Chea as chief party ideologue.
The three currently before the court are charged with crimes against humanity, murder, torture and genocide, allegedly carried out against ethnic Vietnamese and Muslim Chams.
Nuon Chea’s stance is well-known. But importantly, his defense was finally put on the court record this week, establishing his credentials as Brother Number Two to Pol Pot, along with his loathing of all things Vietnamese, which will be telling when the bench retires to consider the evidence.
Case 002 is continuing.








Leonard R.
I hope these well-paid Europeans feel very smug sitting in judgment here.
They were all a safe distance away during the unfolding of the actual tragedy.
And I hope they understand what these trials will accomplish. They will dredge up
the past and make the Khmer Rouge seem heroic to Cambodians.
They are still there you know. In fact, they are still in power.
Temujin
It was Vietnam? Really? It seem more to me it was China, The Kkmer Rouge allied with the Chinese Ultra-Maoist to slaughter 2 millions of it own educated and wealthy cambodians and they are now blaming the event to Vietnamese and the French. In fact, if it wasn’t for the 1979 Vietnamese Invasion, these Khmer Rouge turn Cambodia into hell on earth like Mao Zde Dong did it to China.
Son
Temujin is right! they are allied with Chinese so their plan was so radical and cruel. The tragedy began in France when Pol Pot did his thesis of building a new society and his professors were very excited to see the realization of this utopia. I remember when Saigon and Cambodia felled, all the French gauchists at my university were celebrating the new revolution then they all shut their mouth not denouncing the killing fields.
Liang1a
Quote from the article:
Nuon Chea insists that he and his fellow members of the Standing Committee, which wrote and deployed government policy, weren’t bad people, and that the extraordinary carnage committed at the time of their reign was orchestrated by Hanoi.
“I don’t want the next generations to misunderstand history…I don’t want them to misunderstand that the Khmer Rouge are bad people, are criminals, nothing is true about that…It was Vietnam who killed Cambodians,” the 85 year-old told the court in Case 002.
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Liang’s comment:
Why not! It is just as likely as anything else. Some in the US even proposed that it is the deliberate policy of FDR to ignore the warning to allow the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor in order to give the US an excuse to enter the war. It is certainly possible for the Vietnamese to kill many Cambodians in order to give themselves an excuse to intervene. These killings could have been done by Vietnamese death squads or by ordering Vietanmese agents in Cambodia to do the killing and then blame it on the KR.
But one thing is certain. It is not the Chinese who ordered the killing. If it is absurd to blame the Vietnamese for the killing it is even more absurd to blame the Chinese. It is more than obvious that the ordinary Cambodians hate the Vietnamese. And the hatred is obviously returned by the Vietnamese. Therefore, it is not surprising that the Vietnamese would take any opportunity to kill as many Cambodians as possible. Especially if it could then create an excuse for them to send in Vietnamese troops to colonize Cambodia.
Lastly, it should be reminded that the war in Indochina was the result of the Westerners’ aggressions in the region. First the French and then the Americans with the Japanese getting in a few kicks in between had caused the greatest miseries and laid the groundwork for all subsequent violent conflicts. And it only shows the heinous nature of the Japanese-Western clique to blame the Chinese. I see a greater role for China in bringing Cambodia and Laos under its protective wings and kick out the Vietnamese from these long suffering countries and help them grow into peaceful, secure and prosperous modern nations. Their only hope is China!
Cam
This guy is on drug seriously! Just ask your CCP in Beijing why they have been keeping quiet and trying to avoid the topic for several decades since the killing fields were revealed after the Vietnamese removed the murderous Khmer rouge. The whole world knows who were really behind and the master of those horrendous killing machine in the human history. The Chinese invasion in 1979 was to put pressures on Vietnamese regular troops in Cambodia to pull back but it failed to achieve this goal.
I let the bloggers judge what you were saying. Don’t want to interrupt your smoking though.
Yang zi
If Vietcong was such a humanitarian, it should invade before or during killing, not after it. Pol pot killed half million Chams, half million Chinese, half million Vietnamese. It was ethnic cleansing.
Mao and his cohorts will be put on trial someday for keeping a blind eye.
DownRedChina
Vietnam rescued Cambodia. These words were from Cambodian. Vietnam gave Cambodian food while CCP gave Pol Pot weapons to kill Cambodian…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-10742908
Vietnamese rescue
Then the Vietnamese army came. We started hearing the fighting getting closer and closer. The Khmer Rouge soldiers started retreating. They told us that we needed to run because if the Vietnamese caught us, they’d chop our heads off.
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They killed our nation … Our life wasn’t life for humans”
We were all running together – civilians and Khmer Rouge soldiers. Because I was very sick with diarrhoea, my grandparents were forced to stop.
The Vietnamese soldiers caught up with us. We couldn’t understand each other other, but they were very nice to us. They took us to a safe area and gave us food.
I saw my mum a few months later after the Khmer Rouge surrendered. We returned to our village first and then came my mum.
a_canadian_observer
@yangzi: It sounds weird and ironic, but this is the very first time, I agree with you.
Yang zi
Observers don’t talk, so shut it.
Chams people are real victims. They were killed and prosecuted by Vietnamese, then by pol pot. They deserve to return to their home, Vietnam to cease occupation of Champa, return Saigon to Cambodia. Use its stoled oil revenue to compensate for its crimes against Chams and Cambodians
a_canadian_observer
@nirvana: Thanks for the details. I guessed I agreed with yangzi too soon – gave him too much benefit of the doubt.
@yangzi: I reduce my agreement with you to your last sentence about Mao and his cohorts… only.
LeNguyen
Yang-Zi:
Vietnam will return Saigon to Cambodia and Champa to Cham people if you can get China to return Nanning, Hainan and Guangzhou to Vietnam.
Vietnam will also use its stolen oil monies to compensate Cambodians and Chams if you can flush down the toilet the 1,000 years old Chinese map of South China Sea and their worthless 9 dash claim of ownership.
Deal?
Tran Thai Son
Before the 1979 invasion, Vietnam was busy stablizing the South they just won, sending million of people to so-called re-education camps, and carrying out killer economic policies. They were too busy to care about Khrmer Rouge until the Khmer Rouge started to attack and kill civilians living along the borders. Then was when Hanoi sent in the young officers who just graduated from Soviet military schools.
For Beijing, again, they were too busy fighting for power after Mao’s death in 1976 to notice any killing where else.
LeNguyen
Yangzi- When the Vietcong chased out Khmer Rouge 1979, they were late for 2.5 but saved 5 millions. That’s a lot more than China can claim. Someday, the next generation of Cambodians will look China in the eyes and expect a full explanation.
nirvana
>>“It is not the Chinese who ordered the killing” (Liang1a)
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Nobody accused China of ordering the killings in Cambodia. In the same token, China did not order Kim-Il-sun to invade South Korea. But it is an undeniable fact that China supported politically, economically and militarily Polpot in the same way as it did with N. Korean dictators.
>>“It is not China’s problem” (Liang1a)
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Business as usual !!! And it is this same Liang1a that added “I see a greater role for China in bringing Cambodia and Laos under its protective wings”! This is worse than the mentality of the 18 Chinese by-standers that watched the 2-year old little girl agonizing in Foshan. If Liang1a were among them I can imagine that he would probably think of putting the two vans drivers under his protective wings!
>>“[Vietnam] should invade before or during killing, not after it. Pol pot killed half million Chams, half million Chinese, half million Vietnamese. It was ethnic cleansing.” (Yang zi)
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Everybody know that Vietnam invasion was not purely for humanitarian purpose. But it is false to say that it was AFTER the killings. The invasion STOPPED the killings. Ask the few survivals of the S-21 prison. The occupation brought life and hope back to these people.
Yang zi’s numbers are wrong and it was not only ethnic cleansing. Pol Pot wanted a pure Khmer race but he also wanted “pure brains”, by exterminating all Cambodians (ethnically Khmer) who had any contact with the West. He also wanted to eliminate all roots of religions, educations, family bonds etc… He wanted purely a “reset”.
Surprisingly, nobody raised the point that China did not act alone in its active support of the Pol Pot regime, UNTIL THE VERY END (and in today’s cover-ups). Below is a link that gives an overview of this darkest moment of mankind. Nixon, Kissinger, Thatcher, Mao Zedong, Deng Xiaoping should be tried for these crimes. Just open the US and China secret files pertaining to that period. We do not want revenge, we want truth.
http://www.historyplace.com/pointsofview/kiernan.htm
Roland
LOL.. interpret history a la chinese characteristic
I guess they can say anything.. the whole world opinion on one side and the CPP bloggers interpretation on the other side
DownRedChina
This guy is the product of exactly what CCP wants – blindly believe whatever CCP tell him.
Henry Nguyen
Liang- Your China apologist mixture of facts and fictions is getting old and easily exposed:
1) Khmer Rouge killed Cambodians and non-Cambodians or anyone that did not fit its mold of of utopia and pure future. They killed as many Chinese as Vietnamese and their killing started as soon as they took over Phnom Penh, months before Vietnam secured the South and ready to act, externally. Your theory about Vietnamese death squads doing the killing to as set up for the eventual invasion is absurd! You sounded like an 85 years old man, shamelessly distorting his country’s history before he bites the dust.
2) No one claims China ordered the killing but they are as morally guilty as the rest of the world for doing nothing. However, China was the only country that militarily and economically probed up the Khmer Rouge, knowingly their weapons killed Cambodians, Chinese and Vietnamese. Additionally, China invaded Vietnam in 1979 ( causing 90,000 Chinese/Vietnamese deaths and destruction ) in a bloody and failed attempt to draw Vietnam from Cambodia. Altogether and if it is not for their recently found wealth, they would be charged with conspiracy to a crime against humanity. No moral high ground for China and your China apologist attempt here.
3) So, if you think Cambodians only hate Vietnamese. Think again and be thankful to the Vietnamese army that rescued and flew the 1,000+ Chinese out of Phmom Penh in 1979, saving them from the hand of the Vietnamese allied Cambodians. Today, Cambodia and Laos may welcome Chinese monies and perceive their pressure but stop dreaming about China being the acceptable protector for their peaceful and modern future. This is the 21st century and only imperial China has not soul-searched and evolved, everyone else has… from tiny Brunei, Cambodia, Laos, Singapore to the larger states of Malaysia, Burma, Indonesia, the Philippines and Vietnam. If the recent ASEAN meeting is any indication, they clearly see their option and that option is not China!
a_canadian_observer
@Henry Nguyen: Very well said!
Liang1a
Cam wrote:
December 10, 2011 at 1:39 pm
This guy is on drug seriously! Just ask your CCP in Beijing why they have been keeping quiet and trying to avoid the topic for several decades since the killing fields were revealed after the Vietnamese removed the murderous Khmer rouge. The whole world knows who were really behind and the master of those horrendous killing machine in the human history. The Chinese invasion in 1979 was to put pressures on Vietnamese regular troops in Cambodia to pull back but it failed to achieve this goal.
I let the bloggers judge what you were saying. Don’t want to interrupt your smoking though.
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Liang’s response:
What is there for China to say? It is not China’s problem. Everybody knows that the Chinese government usually doesn’t say anything about what is happening in other countries. China does not intrude into other couintries’ internal problems. Frankly though, I think China should take a much more active role in maintaining peace and justice around the world. Especially in those countries neighboring China such as Laos and Cambodia. China must teach Vietnam another lesson. With a modernized Chinese military and a much fallen US and Japan this should be an easy task.
Nguyen Giet Tau
“What is there for China to say?”: To begin with, say that you are sorry for providing weapons and money to sustain a horrific Khmer Rouge regime that committed crime against humanity against Cambodian people.
China does not intrude into other couintries’ internal problems”: You are simply spreading propaganda.
“China must teach Vietnam another lesson”: Vietnam has learned many lessions alright. One of them is not to put up with your arrogance and the other is no modernized military or weapons can crush a people’s will to remain independence.
Tran Thai Son
“China must teach Vietnam another lesson.”
Liang, if you know correct history (i.e. not from your school) then you wouldn’t want to use that phrase again :-)
Bunong
Vietnam is no angel. Hun Sen went to vietnams side as soon as they invaded and jumped fast away from his supposed “khmer rouge” membership. Hun sen should be in trouble 2 ways. 1 should be prosecuted with other khmer rouge for supposedly killing people. 2 or the real one should be prosecuted with the fake KR vietnamese agents who did the actually killing.
Vietnam persecutes thousands of khmer peoples such as the khmer krom and many khmer tribes such as mine the bunong the bahnar tampuan E De rade and jarai. Vietnam does not allow our people any freedom and we have been living there way before vietnamese came from china.Vietnam argues with China but they are from china.
Khmer
*************** That’s very funny, this Khmer Rogue is smart and he can fool you all, It was this guy who order to kill Vietnamese, Chinese and worst of all, his own Khmer. Can you all count ? 1-2 millions people. Westerners, Chinese and Vietnamese who commented on this you are all dumb and blind. Stop blame each other , this guy should have been hung up long long time ago like what they did to German Himler after WW2. It’s because your politics this Monster is still there and lecturing you fools.
Bunong
Wow the west knows nothing of what happened and khmer dont either since vietnam been in cambodia too long and altered history.A big clue in Vietnams hand in supposed Khmer Rouge killings is Hun Sen. Hun Sen supposedly jumped ship to Yuon Hanoi’s side as soon as they invaded. Come on now. you guys cant see that he was part of the vietnam agents? Right after Vietnam illegally invaded Hun Sen ends up on their side. Its so blatant and phony Vietnam’s “relief effort”. Vietnam has eyed laos and cambodia always to recreat IndoChina. And look what happen it finally succeeded Vietnam now has the biggest hand in both cambodia and laos. So thanks a lot vietnam. vietnam also persecutes monkhmer tribes like us bunong the tampuan stieng and many others bahnar E De and jarai peoples. Vietnam is not good at all.
nirvana
@Khmer,
What will you get by hanging Noung Chea? The gratitude of those governments who assisted him!
History has shown that a few men, with the support from the “International Community” can unleash hell on the earth. Are you not interested to know how to prevent this happening to your children and grand-children?
Tyler101
Folks, please understand that many Cambodians, out of sheer hatred towards Vietnamese, are just outright defying or uncapable of grasping the logics, common sense, and even facts when it comes to Vietnamese and their own KR. It is pointless in trying to get them to acknowledge the truth.