Comments on: China’s Dangerous Arrogance http://the-diplomat.com/2010/07/23/china%e2%80%99s-dangerous-arrogance/ Know The Diplomat, Know Asia Wed, 16 May 2012 20:37:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0-alpha By: Chinese http://the-diplomat.com/2010/07/23/china%e2%80%99s-dangerous-arrogance/comment-page-6/#comment-4918 Chinese Wed, 01 Sep 2010 06:13:20 +0000 http://the-diplomat.com/?p=5147#comment-4918 To the authors, I respect the fact that everyone is allowed their opinion. But if you have to accuse others, please at least provide some proof. For example, where is the evidence that N. Korea sank the Cheonan? There is a WHOLE HOST of evidence that contradict the US official version of events. Is it not obvious that these evidence should at least be looked at if you are to make accusations? Simply pushing the evidence aside and bullying everyone into gang attack of a small nation isn't, and shouldn't, be tolerated by respectable nations. I will just list 2 sources here out of many in case your readers are interested : http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/the-sinking-of-the-cheonan-we-are-being-lied-to/ http://www.anatakara.com/petition/no-explosion-no-torpedo.html ( **** The 2nd one is very interesting. It is an open letter to Hillary Clinton written by a prominent South Korean expert on the matter **** ) To the authors,

I respect the fact that everyone is allowed their opinion. But if you have to accuse others, please at least provide some proof.

For example, where is the evidence that N. Korea sank the Cheonan?

There is a WHOLE HOST of evidence that contradict the US official version of events. Is it not obvious that these evidence should at least be looked at if you are to make accusations? Simply pushing the evidence aside and bullying everyone into gang attack of a small nation isn’t, and shouldn’t, be tolerated by respectable nations.

I will just list 2 sources here out of many in case your readers are interested :

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/the-sinking-of-the-cheonan-we-are-being-lied-to/

http://www.anatakara.com/petition/no-explosion-no-torpedo.html

( **** The 2nd one is very interesting. It is an open letter to Hillary Clinton written by a prominent South Korean expert on the matter **** )

]]> By: James Noland http://the-diplomat.com/2010/07/23/china%e2%80%99s-dangerous-arrogance/comment-page-5/#comment-4887 James Noland Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:31:30 +0000 http://the-diplomat.com/?p=5147#comment-4887 This: 'The US has one of the worst Humanitarian records in history.' I suppose, if you literally ignore everyone else. This: ‘The US has one of the worst Humanitarian records in history.’

I suppose, if you literally ignore everyone else.

]]> By: MatthewTan http://the-diplomat.com/2010/07/23/china%e2%80%99s-dangerous-arrogance/comment-page-5/#comment-4852 MatthewTan Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:42:21 +0000 http://the-diplomat.com/?p=5147#comment-4852 Maybe it is time to talk about US ARROGANCE! China should think hard about US's capability and political will to settle its national debts. Speaking today in Detroit, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Michael Mullen took on the rare task of declaring what he believed was the “top” threat to America’s national security going forward. It wasn’t Iran, it wasn’t North Korea, it wasn’t even some ill-defined group of factions called “terrorism.” It was the national debt. “The most significant threat to our national security is the debt,” Mullen insisted, adding that it is “so important that the economy move in the right direction” to pay for more military spending going forward. http://news.antiwar.com/2010/08/27/mullen-national-debt-is-top-national-security-threat/ Maybe it is time to talk about US ARROGANCE!

China should think hard about US’s capability and political will to settle its national debts.

Speaking today in Detroit, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Michael Mullen took on the rare task of declaring what he believed was the “top” threat to America’s national security going forward. It wasn’t Iran, it wasn’t North Korea, it wasn’t even some ill-defined group of factions called “terrorism.” It was the national debt.

“The most significant threat to our national security is the debt,” Mullen insisted, adding that it is “so important that the economy move in the right direction” to pay for more military spending going forward.

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/08/27/mullen-national-debt-is-top-national-security-threat/

]]> By: Andrew P http://the-diplomat.com/2010/07/23/china%e2%80%99s-dangerous-arrogance/comment-page-5/#comment-4811 Andrew P Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:34:16 +0000 http://the-diplomat.com/?p=5147#comment-4811 Don't confuse apples with oranges. This article is not about land claims (other than tiny islands in the S. China Sea). Contested land claims occur all over the world. It is about jurisdiction over the open ocean, and control of trade routes. I remember when Ronald Reagan had naval exercises done in these waters just to reassert the claim that this area is open international waters. So this contest is nothing new. What is new is that China is rising fast, the US appears to be declining, and China smells an opportunity to make a grab. Whether China is "dangerously arrogant" or not untimately depends on the outcome. If China is successful in imposing its soverignty over the SCS, then it will have scored a major coup not only against the USA, but against the existing international system. It will set a precedent that ends the USA as a global power, and allows China to construct a new international order to its liking. If it ends badly for them, with the People's Army Navy sitting in Davy Jones Locker, then they were dangerously arrogant. The stakes are incredibly high here. Don’t confuse apples with oranges. This article is not about land claims (other than tiny islands in the S. China Sea). Contested land claims occur all over the world. It is about jurisdiction over the open ocean, and control of trade routes. I remember when Ronald Reagan had naval exercises done in these waters just to reassert the claim that this area is open international waters. So this contest is nothing new. What is new is that China is rising fast, the US appears to be declining, and China smells an opportunity to make a grab. Whether China is “dangerously arrogant” or not untimately depends on the outcome. If China is successful in imposing its soverignty over the SCS, then it will have scored a major coup not only against the USA, but against the existing international system. It will set a precedent that ends the USA as a global power, and allows China to construct a new international order to its liking. If it ends badly for them, with the People’s Army Navy sitting in Davy Jones Locker, then they were dangerously arrogant. The stakes are incredibly high here.

]]> By: Mallu09 http://the-diplomat.com/2010/07/23/china%e2%80%99s-dangerous-arrogance/comment-page-5/#comment-4765 Mallu09 Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:48:03 +0000 http://the-diplomat.com/?p=5147#comment-4765 I value my freedoms and dont want the state to dictate what to believe in, what to do, how many children to have, etc etc. Hope you are not a stooge or a countrymen from around the South China sea (traitor). I value my freedoms and dont want the state to dictate what to believe in, what to do, how many children to have, etc etc. Hope you are not a stooge or a countrymen from around the South China sea (traitor).

]]> By: mandrewsf http://the-diplomat.com/2010/07/23/china%e2%80%99s-dangerous-arrogance/comment-page-5/#comment-4753 mandrewsf Thu, 26 Aug 2010 04:47:39 +0000 http://the-diplomat.com/?p=5147#comment-4753 It is funny how China is now being portrayed as the potential aggressor at every front. However, a brief glance through China's military history showed that China had not established far-flung colonies at distant corners of the world, when it had the strength to do so. I'd like to ask: ever since the founding of the PRC, has China started any overt wars that led to the increase of its territory? Frankly, the Republic of China still claims far more territory than the PRC, and its claim includes all of Mongolia, Tannu Uriankhai, Northern Burma, Eastern Tajikistan (all of which the current government of China does not lay a claim to), in addition to Arunachal and ALL of the Spratleys. Now the RoC is supposed to be a western-styled democracy, but it accuses the current government of China of abandoning vast tracts of "sovereign" territory. Is China really the war-mongering, land-grabbing yellow peril that Western media portrays it to be? Don't forget that Western countries are still militarily intervening in the affairs of other countries. And the wars that they are now fighting are not a bit justified. Meanwhile the last time China fought a major military campaign was in '79, at the behest of the U.S. which wanted to use China to teach Vietnam a lesson. If history has taught us anything, it is the Western countries that are to be feared the most. Behind their facade of peace and democracy often lies several carrier battle groups. It is funny how China is now being portrayed as the potential aggressor at every front. However, a brief glance through China’s military history showed that China had not established far-flung colonies at distant corners of the world, when it had the strength to do so.

I’d like to ask: ever since the founding of the PRC, has China started any overt wars that led to the increase of its territory?

Frankly, the Republic of China still claims far more territory than the PRC, and its claim includes all of Mongolia, Tannu Uriankhai, Northern Burma, Eastern Tajikistan (all of which the current government of China does not lay a claim to), in addition to Arunachal and ALL of the Spratleys. Now the RoC is supposed to be a western-styled democracy, but it accuses the current government of China of abandoning vast tracts of “sovereign” territory.

Is China really the war-mongering, land-grabbing yellow peril that Western media portrays it to be? Don’t forget that Western countries are still militarily intervening in the affairs of other countries. And the wars that they are now fighting are not a bit justified. Meanwhile the last time China fought a major military campaign was in ‘79, at the behest of the U.S. which wanted to use China to teach Vietnam a lesson. If history has taught us anything, it is the Western countries that are to be feared the most. Behind their facade of peace and democracy often lies several carrier battle groups.

]]> By: mandrewsf http://the-diplomat.com/2010/07/23/china%e2%80%99s-dangerous-arrogance/comment-page-3/#comment-4752 mandrewsf Thu, 26 Aug 2010 04:31:29 +0000 http://the-diplomat.com/?p=5147#comment-4752 If you think the Diplomat is biased, try the BBC. Or CNN. In fact, I stopped reading the Economist's section on Asia because of its surge in blatant and un-journalistic China-bashing articles. The recent articles on China to India, so filled with weasel words, is a perfect example in the decline of the standards of the Economist's articles. The Diplomat may be rather critical towards China, but I don't blame them. At least most of its articles are honest and fair assessment of the current situation in China, based on facts, not opinions and assumptions. And frankly, they are a necessary breath of fresh air to the benighted chauvinistic crowd of Chinese netizens. No, China is not perfect, and there are ways to make it better. Starting with honest discussions of its problems. If you think the Diplomat is biased, try the BBC. Or CNN. In fact, I stopped reading the Economist’s section on Asia because of its surge in blatant and un-journalistic China-bashing articles. The recent articles on China to India, so filled with weasel words, is a perfect example in the decline of the standards of the Economist’s articles.

The Diplomat may be rather critical towards China, but I don’t blame them. At least most of its articles are honest and fair assessment of the current situation in China, based on facts, not opinions and assumptions. And frankly, they are a necessary breath of fresh air to the benighted chauvinistic crowd of Chinese netizens. No, China is not perfect, and there are ways to make it better. Starting with honest discussions of its problems.

]]> By: mandrewsf http://the-diplomat.com/2010/07/23/china%e2%80%99s-dangerous-arrogance/comment-page-3/#comment-4750 mandrewsf Thu, 26 Aug 2010 04:25:27 +0000 http://the-diplomat.com/?p=5147#comment-4750 Please. Your belief in the inherent superiority of the Western system is insularity at its best. Please. Your belief in the inherent superiority of the Western system is insularity at its best.

]]> By: mandrewsf http://the-diplomat.com/2010/07/23/china%e2%80%99s-dangerous-arrogance/comment-page-3/#comment-4749 mandrewsf Thu, 26 Aug 2010 04:24:00 +0000 http://the-diplomat.com/?p=5147#comment-4749 I can't help but remember Winston Churchill's opinion on India: "India is a geographical term. It is no more a united nation than the equator." Not difficult to see. Kashmir, Mizoram, Naxal, Gujarat... I can’t help but remember Winston Churchill’s opinion on India:

“India is a geographical term. It is no more a united nation than the equator.”

Not difficult to see. Kashmir, Mizoram, Naxal, Gujarat…

]]> By: mandrewsf http://the-diplomat.com/2010/07/23/china%e2%80%99s-dangerous-arrogance/comment-page-4/#comment-4748 mandrewsf Thu, 26 Aug 2010 04:20:32 +0000 http://the-diplomat.com/?p=5147#comment-4748 Too bad the Republicans and FOXNews don't really want the things that you listed. Too bad the Republicans and FOXNews don’t really want the things that you listed.

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